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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7789643" data-attributes="member: 6801845">So would it be acceptable if I stated that my goal was to determine the true intentions of a creature and search out a lie or general intent and that I'm going to do it by gleaning clues from body language, speech habits, and changes in mannerisms?&nbsp; Because that falls under 1.2 in my categories.Which of course is just reformatting the insight skill to fit into the &quot;goal and approach&quot; pattern.&nbsp; I personally find that pattern unnecessarily artificial, I think &quot;Can I make an insight check&quot; is a perfectly good shortcut. YMMV*.&nbsp; As others have stated, if I'm taking my time to look carefully down an alley I don't need to state that I'm looking to see if there's rats.&nbsp; I'll also have a chance to see the giant spider as well.&nbsp; If someone is making an insight check they may discern that the target is lying or they may detect that they're telling the truth but not the whole truth or that they're being honest but seem to be nervous about something else.&nbsp; What I need to know is that the PC is studying the NPC closely and trying to get a read on them. Frequently that's handled by passive checks in my game, but not always.*YMMV of course is just a shortcut for your mileage may vary which is in and of itself a shortened version that has an accepted meaning based on convention and history.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7789643, member: 6801845"] So would it be acceptable if I stated that my goal was to determine the true intentions of a creature and search out a lie or general intent and that I'm going to do it by gleaning clues from body language, speech habits, and changes in mannerisms? Because that falls under 1.2 in my categories. Which of course is just reformatting the insight skill to fit into the "goal and approach" pattern. I personally find that pattern unnecessarily artificial, I think "Can I make an insight check" is a perfectly good shortcut. YMMV*. As others have stated, if I'm taking my time to look carefully down an alley I don't need to state that I'm looking to see if there's rats. I'll also have a chance to see the giant spider as well. If someone is making an insight check they may discern that the target is lying or they may detect that they're telling the truth but not the whole truth or that they're being honest but seem to be nervous about something else. What I need to know is that the PC is studying the NPC closely and trying to get a read on them. Frequently that's handled by passive checks in my game, but not always. [I]*YMMV of course is just a shortcut for your mileage may vary which is in and of itself a shortened version that has an accepted meaning based on convention and history.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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