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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7789861" data-attributes="member: 6919838">But, the assumption was the GMs. If the GM was in a scene with an unknown damage-on-touch door why did that GM decide that using Percrption skil required touching orvtouching first?A few scenes before, when they spotted orcs and &quot;used perception&quot; on them, did that some GM take that to mean they stepped out of cover walked up and touched the orc? In all the prior uses of Perception had it been shown to be a feel first skill? Or did it usually start st sight, sound, smell?Does describe and approach avoid assumptions? Maybe but do foes just not making assumptions that are ridiculous especially when harmful.Consider the door.Was there no part of perception- sight, sound, smell - that could have or should have alerted that player before the touch ? If so, what led the GM to in your example SKIP ALL OF THOSE and go straight to the damage?More to the point, if there wasn't any signs that could alert it, no signs of trouble then how would describing looking at the door etc and then finding nothing suspicious not have wound up at the same point? This &quot;absurd&quot; example of a GM screw up keeps getting trotted out, it's the poster boy case for whst this &quot;solves&quot; happens if you dont do it the one way, but really it's... well... to use your word...&nbsp; absurd.Back in the day, if you didn't say &quot; looking ip&quot; you got dropped on. Now, apparently, for g-n-a, if you font ssy &quot;I look before touching&quot; in dome wsy or another, you just go round groping orcs ? Is that what we should figure?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7789861, member: 6919838"] But, the assumption was the GMs. If the GM was in a scene with an unknown damage-on-touch door why did that GM decide that using Percrption skil required touching orvtouching first? A few scenes before, when they spotted orcs and "used perception" on them, did that some GM take that to mean they stepped out of cover walked up and touched the orc? In all the prior uses of Perception had it been shown to be a feel first skill? Or did it usually start st sight, sound, smell? Does describe and approach avoid assumptions? Maybe but do foes just not making assumptions that are ridiculous especially when harmful. Consider the door. Was there no part of perception- sight, sound, smell - that could have or should have alerted that player before the touch ? If so, what led the GM to in your example SKIP ALL OF THOSE and go straight to the damage? More to the point, if there wasn't any signs that could alert it, no signs of trouble then how would describing looking at the door etc and then finding nothing suspicious not have wound up at the same point? This "absurd" example of a GM screw up keeps getting trotted out, it's the poster boy case for whst this "solves" happens if you dont do it the one way, but really it's... well... to use your word... absurd. Back in the day, if you didn't say " looking ip" you got dropped on. Now, apparently, for g-n-a, if you font ssy "I look before touching" in dome wsy or another, you just go round groping orcs ? Is that what we should figure? [/QUOTE]

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