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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7791798" data-attributes="member: 6801845">But my whole point is that if I make any kind of knowledge gaining type check, whether that's insight, history, nature, etc, I'm going to give them all the relevant information on a success.&nbsp; If they're investigating a door for a trap they're going to also see other things that an investigation check could reveal.&nbsp; If I make a perception check looking for rats in the cellar, I'm not going to tell them they miss the clown in the corner because it's not a rat.&nbsp; The goal of a perception check is always the same: do I see anything hidden or unusual.&nbsp; The goal of an insight check is always simple: gain more knowledge about the target NPC.&nbsp; I don't need anything more than that.Telling me specifically what they're looking for or trying to see is superfluous because I'm not going to play &quot;gotcha&quot; DMing.&nbsp; A successful insight check will always reveal the same info no matter what they were initially looking for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7791798, member: 6801845"] But my whole point is that if I make any kind of knowledge gaining type check, whether that's insight, history, nature, etc, I'm going to give them all the relevant information on a success. If they're investigating a door for a trap they're going to also see other things that an investigation check could reveal. If I make a perception check looking for rats in the cellar, I'm not going to tell them they miss the clown in the corner because it's not a rat. The goal of a perception check is always the same: do I see anything hidden or unusual. The goal of an insight check is always simple: gain more knowledge about the target NPC. I don't need anything more than that. Telling me specifically what they're looking for or trying to see is superfluous because I'm not going to play "gotcha" DMing. A successful insight check will always reveal the same info no matter what they were initially looking for. [/QUOTE]

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