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Message: <blockquote data-quote="haiiro" data-source="post: 1599274" data-attributes="member: 1891">Here's my current draft version of a system based on the "40% + roll" idea:1. To find a buyer: Gather Information check, DC = 15 + caster level of item. This takes 1 full day per check.2. Once a buyer is found: Diplomacy check (haggling), with every point on your roll = +1% to the item's base sale price of 40% of MV. It takes 1d4 days to complete the sale.Ad hoc adjustments can be made to take into account RP situations, previous contact with the buyer, evil items, etc. The DMG's guidelines for available wealth by settlement size still apply.I really like using the idea of caster level as a mechanic to scale the DC of the GI check. I played around with using the MV of the item, but the system always broke with high value items (tens of thousands of gp, etc.). It also allows for items created with a higher CL than the "default" version to be worth more.I also crunched some numbers using 30% base sale price + 2% per point on the Diplomacy check, and that creates a system whereby high level PCs with Diplomacy can actually sell the item for more than its MV. When my players and I were tossing around ideas yesterday, most of them liked the idea of rewarding social skill points in that way.Some random thoughts about this system:- It doesn't involve Appraise in any way, and I can't think of a way to do so without complexifying it more than I'd like. I'll probably just leave that part out.- I think substituting Profession (Merchant) for either roll is appropriate, with both GI and Diplo. giving synergy bonuses to Prof. (Merchant). This rewards taking points in an underused skill -- and gives an incentive for PCs with no social skills to do the logical thing and hire a middleman.- In some ways, it makes more sense to me for the GI roll to be the main determining factor in the final price -- finding the right buyer, the one who really wants the item, seems like it might be more important than finding a buyer and haggling them up to a good price. Not sure about this one -- and Ambrus's original "one roll, choose the skill" approach neatly sidesteps the whole issue.- The idea of letting every point over the DC of the GI roll = +1% (or 2%, depending) to the final price holds some appeal -- this could represent that "right" buyer.- The DC for the GI check can be fairly high, particularly for lower level characters. I thought about giving a cumulative bonus per day spent looking for a buyer -- probably +1 or +2/day -- but wasn't completely happy with the result. It also seems like after a certain point, no amount of searching will let you find a buyer (perhaps topping it out at 1 week of failed GI checks = wait at least 1 more week, then try again, starting from scratch?).- Unless I'm forgetting something, skill checks in d20 always either have a DC to beat, or involve an opposed roll. The "open ended" Diplomacy roll -- no DC, as you've already found the buyer -- doesn't fit this model. I'm not sure whether that bothers me or not. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />If you read through all of that, I'd love to hear what you think of it -- and hear more ideas in general. Like I said before, there's some great approaches in this thread. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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