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Message: <blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7867919" data-attributes="member: 6919838">1 I let them use the highest bonus unless there is a compelling reason not to.2 A failure on an ability check can produce some result of progress eith setback. I frequently have the setback include complications that make latter checks more difficult or impossible. So perhaps the investigation finds dome of the clue/reward but destroys the rest in the process. Some progress eith setback tends to rein in the pile-on rolls. 3 Its the intent not the facts that insight will pick up on. So, if they are using truth in misleading ways, they need a deception check to appear honest. However, to convince someone to do something that requires a persuasion check. So, we are dealing with deception to conceal the intent and then persuasion to persuade the target. They are likely against different DCs. ..</blockquote>