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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 9216428" data-attributes="member: 20564">That is NOT what the rules say.&nbsp; And that is why it matters.&nbsp; It is listed in what you have quoted.Here are the actual rules.The character takes the Cast a Spell action.&nbsp; PHB pg 192.&nbsp; Please note, it does not also grant an attack.The spell, if not stopped in some way, is cast.Only after being successfully cast does the effects of the spell happen.One of the effects, as you listed is &quot;make a melee attack with it against one creature within 5 feet of you&quot;.&nbsp; This is the first and only part of this that grants an attack.Say the spell is counterspelled.&nbsp; Counterspell (PHB 228) says &quot;You attempt to interrupt a creature in the process of casting a spell. If the creature is casting a spell of 3rd level or lower, its spell fails and has no effect.&quot;No effect means the effect does not happen, including the only part of the entire action that grants an attack.If you wish to disagree, please give me any page number of the what is granting the attack before the effect of the spell.&nbsp; There are plenty of spells that are cast on a hit and that is listed under the casting time as a trigger, and spells you cast before and have a duration and then trigger on a hit.&nbsp; This lists none of that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 9216428, member: 20564"] That is NOT what the rules say. And that is why it matters. It is listed in what you have quoted. Here are the actual rules. The character takes the Cast a Spell action. PHB pg 192. Please note, it does not also grant an attack. The spell, if not stopped in some way, is cast. Only after being successfully cast does the effects of the spell happen. One of the effects, as you listed is "make a melee attack with it against one creature within 5 feet of you". This is the first and only part of this that grants an attack. Say the spell is counterspelled. Counterspell (PHB 228) says "You attempt to interrupt a creature in the process of casting a spell. If the creature is casting a spell of 3rd level or lower, its spell fails and has no effect." No effect means the effect does not happen, including the only part of the entire action that grants an attack. If you wish to disagree, please give me any page number of the what is granting the attack before the effect of the spell. There are plenty of spells that are cast on a hit and that is listed under the casting time as a trigger, and spells you cast before and have a duration and then trigger on a hit. This lists none of that. [/QUOTE]

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