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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 5150253" data-attributes="member: 65637">To run on Neonchameleon's post, I think the second problem bards have is that they're tied to a buffing bard song.  "But Cirno, that's their whole schtick!"  Yes, I know, that's the problem.  They should have more then that.In 3.5, you saw the alternate class feature to trade your extremely vague bardic lore for bardic knack.  Bam, you could use half your bard level instead of your skill rank in any skill.  That was awesome!  Bards could once again be the jack of all trades.  Why wasn't this a core ability to begin with?I think the bard song should just be one of many things bards do - and I also think bard song should be more then just for buffing.  Why do I like and hate the level 20 cap on bards so much?  Because it's so rich with what could be awesome, only to be dragged down by "lol bards have to perform."Take away the performance part, and instead make it a curse.  It's still fitting with bards!  Instead of tra-la-laing their way to the enemy's death, they point an accusing finger at them and chant out ancient words of hate and bile, causing them to die as they stare.  Look at truenaming - that's as bardic as it gets!You have a class who, fluff wise, talks about ancient and secret lore, traveling to the far corners of the world in search of knowledge, understanding and cunning on how to deal with people just right...and their main ability is to make everyone else in the party feel a little bit stronger.  It's no wonder they're picked on.</blockquote>

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