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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 6486719" data-attributes="member: 1210">Given that 5e is explicitly designed to be tweaked and house ruled, I'd disagree here. You make the assertion that 5e isn't 5e if you aren't playing it 100% as-is, but notice how often the books encourage the DM to change or tweak the game. So did you miss the whole "monster tactics" stuff, where we discuss hitting pcs when they're down? You don't think that's relevant?The way death saves interact with damage, especially if you're within 5' of the adjacent figure? Sorry, but I think the topic was discussed in this thread. Early on, and then throughout the thread, people answered the question with things like enough damage to reduce you to -max hps; three failed death saves (including from getting smacked while you're down); undead life drain max hp reduction; instant death effects such as power word kill; etc. I think drowning and suffocation were mentioned, along with strength drain from shadows, though I'll grant you that I don't recall anyone mentioning starving to death or dying of dehydration.Yes, the discussion moved on to whether or not killing pcs is a bad thing, with certain posters asserting that doing so ruins the game for people, and others disputing that. That's all rather orthogonal to the original topic, but still relevant IMHO.You could always add your own contributions.The thing about topics on discussion boards is they usually wander quite a bit. Where discussion leads, posts follow. Debate isn't always edition warring.You're talking about D&D- a game in which your personal bias and techniques inevitably come out during game play. You've got people talking about their experiences and playstyles because it's an inevitable part of the discussion any time you talk about anything D&D. This isn't a "What are the rules about topic X?" thread, this is a discussion of a major element of the game- pc death- and how it happens. Of course people are going to discuss their games, playstyles and techniques- what else is there? Regurgitating the lines in the PH? Just go read the book if that's what you want. Finally, the topic of pc death is one where the answers vary greatly by playstyle, and where people have strong opinions that don't all mesh. Of course there's going to be a lot of debate about it. And there's no one answer- that's the point of a game that enables different playstyles. Naturally that will engender debate. That's the nature of discussion. Some people think you shouldn't hit pcs when they're down and will post their objections (even though that's part of the RAW!). Others will jump in and say "But RAW!" Still others will say, "Monsters should act like monsters!" It's all part of the discussion.</blockquote>

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