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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6486774" data-attributes="member: 58197">Yeah, I'd say it's significantly better in 5E. In 3.5E, an incorporeal creature could sit inside a wall and flail at targets outside, but it was attacking blind (50% miss chance), could only hit targets adjacent to the wall, and was still subject to readied attacks, albeit with cover. On the other hand, if it came out of the wall to attack, it would then have to end its turn in the open.In 5E, the same incorporeal creature can start on the other side of a wall; move through the wall; attack a foe; and move back through the wall to safety. It does have to have an open space on the other side of the wall to end its turn in, and it provokes an opportunity attack as it retreats, but taking an OA means you can't use a readied attack, so it evens out.In 3.5E, the only monsters that could do this were those that had Spring Attack--dread wraiths, greater shadows, and the few ghosts that happened to learn Spring Attack in life. Regular wraiths, shadows, spectres, allips, and ghosts were out of luck.You can say that again. They aren't much on their own, but add them to an encounter with other monsters and they are vicious. Our 13th-level (!) party recently fought an enemy wizard who could summon shadows, and we were appalled to realize that despite having two full 13th-level casters in the party, we had no way to get rid of the Strength drain. (We were emphatically not in a position to take a short rest.) We turned all our firepower on the shadows and burned them down fast, but even so the barbarian had to struggle along with crippling penalties to hit and damage till we were able to wangle a chance to rest.</blockquote>

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