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<blockquote data-quote="DaveDash" data-source="post: 6487301" data-attributes="member: 6786202">Thanks Morrus, I've been getting a handle on the conversion process now after a lot more practice. I've also started to level up a lot of monsters from the MM using the rules in the DMG (which is quite easy I have found) to match some of their 3rd edition counterparts. For example, City of the Spider Queen uses an 'Advanced Chuul' which by itself is an EL14 encounter (which is probably on the hard side for a level 12-13 party). So I looked at what would be a 'hard' encounter for my party (level 13), and that came out to be about a CR15 monsters based on the DMG encounter guidelines. I then leveled up the Chuul to have appropriate hit points and DPR for a CR15 monster.1:1 conversions definitely don't work for the reasons you've stated. My point was more along the lines of though the &quot;Save or Else&quot; effects have been toned down on a lot of monsters. For example, the Beholder I have run in 5e wasn't anywhere near as scary as the Beholders I have ran in previous editions. The only real &quot;bad&quot; thing it did was disintegrate the bow of the main archer of the group. He didn't have a backup so they had to Word of Recall back out of the dungeon. The players still thought it was a hard fight though, so as mentioned earlier, I guess that's a win-win.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DaveDash, post: 6487301, member: 6786202"] Thanks Morrus, I've been getting a handle on the conversion process now after a lot more practice. I've also started to level up a lot of monsters from the MM using the rules in the DMG (which is quite easy I have found) to match some of their 3rd edition counterparts. For example, City of the Spider Queen uses an 'Advanced Chuul' which by itself is an EL14 encounter (which is probably on the hard side for a level 12-13 party). So I looked at what would be a 'hard' encounter for my party (level 13), and that came out to be about a CR15 monsters based on the DMG encounter guidelines. I then leveled up the Chuul to have appropriate hit points and DPR for a CR15 monster. 1:1 conversions definitely don't work for the reasons you've stated. My point was more along the lines of though the "Save or Else" effects have been toned down on a lot of monsters. For example, the Beholder I have run in 5e wasn't anywhere near as scary as the Beholders I have ran in previous editions. The only real "bad" thing it did was disintegrate the bow of the main archer of the group. He didn't have a backup so they had to Word of Recall back out of the dungeon. The players still thought it was a hard fight though, so as mentioned earlier, I guess that's a win-win. [/QUOTE]

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