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<blockquote data-quote="Anthony Terry" data-source="post: 6488906" data-attributes="member: 6776492">Apologies for the tone in which i phrase things at times, your right it seems i is do come across as calling him a lier which is miss intentional. Im more just asking for more details, i honestly think for a group of say 4 level 13 charecters, even with 0 wizzards, clerics and druids it would take north of 30 shadows to proove &quot;challenging&quot; unless their HP has been doubled or more in 5th.I feel rather ironic derailing the thread and maybe without actually experiancing more 5th edition at high levels or indeed involving shadows i should refrain from commenting further. I just still have nightmares about some of the shadows in ravenloft attacking me from literally inside the walls as you flee through the corridor, i would at least hope its not debated that their challenge was significantly decreased by the changed, even if you do wish to debate my point that their pretty pointless now</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anthony Terry, post: 6488906, member: 6776492"] Apologies for the tone in which i phrase things at times, your right it seems i is do come across as calling him a lier which is miss intentional. Im more just asking for more details, i honestly think for a group of say 4 level 13 charecters, even with 0 wizzards, clerics and druids it would take north of 30 shadows to proove "challenging" unless their HP has been doubled or more in 5th. I feel rather ironic derailing the thread and maybe without actually experiancing more 5th edition at high levels or indeed involving shadows i should refrain from commenting further. I just still have nightmares about some of the shadows in ravenloft attacking me from literally inside the walls as you flee through the corridor, i would at least hope its not debated that their challenge was significantly decreased by the changed, even if you do wish to debate my point that their pretty pointless now [/QUOTE]

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