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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 6488911" data-attributes="member: 1210">With area damage to take them down, a mid or high-level party is probably in good shape against a bunch of shadows. But if they are in an area where they can't nuke the shadows without hitting the party, I think the equation is significantly different. Remember, that strength drain bypasses hit points. That 20 strength that the fighter has will go fast if five shadows swarm him- that's about two to four rounds of attacks, I'd guess. Well, while they can't stay inside the wall anymore, nothing stops them from moving into the area the pcs are at, attacking and then moving away, back through the wall, into the corridor beyond it... every round. Opportunity attacks or readied actions both use your reaction, so each pc is going to be able to get one attack per round in this scenario. It's almost as if the shadows all have Spring Attack. I haven't run shadows against a high-level party, either, but I honestly see them as a &quot;never obsolete&quot; monster in 5e, given the way the numbers (e.g. the AC of the pcs) just don't escalate out of their reach anymore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 6488911, member: 1210"] With area damage to take them down, a mid or high-level party is probably in good shape against a bunch of shadows. But if they are in an area where they can't nuke the shadows without hitting the party, I think the equation is significantly different. Remember, that strength drain bypasses hit points. That 20 strength that the fighter has will go fast if five shadows swarm him- that's about two to four rounds of attacks, I'd guess. Well, while they can't stay inside the wall anymore, nothing stops them from moving into the area the pcs are at, attacking and then moving away, back through the wall, into the corridor beyond it... every round. Opportunity attacks or readied actions both use your reaction, so each pc is going to be able to get one attack per round in this scenario. It's almost as if the shadows all have Spring Attack. I haven't run shadows against a high-level party, either, but I honestly see them as a "never obsolete" monster in 5e, given the way the numbers (e.g. the AC of the pcs) just don't escalate out of their reach anymore. [/QUOTE]

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