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<blockquote data-quote="RangerWickett" data-source="post: 9120523" data-attributes="member: 63">I want to know what the story for the players is. Like, from their perspective, how would they tell the events of what they did, and is there any point where the outcome was uncertain other than determining if they win fights?You can have plenty of allegedly non-railroaded stories, like with sandboxes and exploration, but if all the story ends up being is that a group of characters went to a place, fought some things, and then stopped the bad guy, that's boring.There need to be some decision points where the outcome of the adventure depends on what the players care about.It's a small thing, but the first example that comes to mind was the sunless citadel, that first adventure for third edition, where tons of parties encountered meepo the kobold, and they did not have to kill him, so different groups interacted with that character in different ways, and sometimes he joined the party, and sometimes he betrayed the party, and everyone gets a story out of it that is unique.And at the end you fight the evil vampire tree or whatever, and it's not like you're going to side with the evil vampire tree. The fight isn't memorable.Adventures need decision points.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RangerWickett, post: 9120523, member: 63"] I want to know what the story for the players is. Like, from their perspective, how would they tell the events of what they did, and is there any point where the outcome was uncertain other than determining if they win fights? You can have plenty of allegedly non-railroaded stories, like with sandboxes and exploration, but if all the story ends up being is that a group of characters went to a place, fought some things, and then stopped the bad guy, that's boring. There need to be some decision points where the outcome of the adventure depends on what the players care about. It's a small thing, but the first example that comes to mind was the sunless citadel, that first adventure for third edition, where tons of parties encountered meepo the kobold, and they did not have to kill him, so different groups interacted with that character in different ways, and sometimes he joined the party, and sometimes he betrayed the party, and everyone gets a story out of it that is unique. And at the end you fight the evil vampire tree or whatever, and it's not like you're going to side with the evil vampire tree. The fight isn't memorable. Adventures need decision points. [/QUOTE]

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