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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 6188276" data-attributes="member: 18701">I have always thought of "optimizing" and "powergaming" as two different things:Optimizing to me always meant using the rules legitimately and somewhat straight forward to make the best build ever.Powergaming to me always meant using the rules any way you can to achieve the best build ever regardless of how absurd the build is. Interpreting the rules in your favor, ignoring logic, and finding loopholes are things that I imagine makes you a powergamer rather than an optimizer.But are these two things really the same thing since the end goal is to simply make the PC as invincible as possible?If an optimized PC and a powergamed PC both ended up in a game under a DM who was pretty low-key and simply ran normal NPCs or monsters straight from published books, it doesn't seem to make a difference which PC has the better build if both PCs still greatly outrank a modestly built NPC.If they are different, how do you know which category you fall under? Does creating a PC based on the best build you find in the optimization forums still make you a powergamer? If not, how do you know you're powergaming and not just optimizing? I see all kinds of optimizing forums and threads, but I've never noticed any threads or posts specifically on how to "powergame" a PC. As popular as the term "powergaming" is, I would think these forums would exist if it is different from optimizing. Or have I just not been to the right forums for powergaming?</blockquote>

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