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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5948654" data-attributes="member: 87792">That depends what you mean by minor variations. Take the humble five foot push. In 3.X that is a <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#bullRush" target="_blank">Bull Rush</a> - a spectacularly bad idea for someone to try untrained under almost any circumstances - it (a) does no damage and (b) provokes an opportunity attack. Even <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#improvedBullRush" target="_blank">Improved Bull Rush</a> is generally a bad option - it means giving up your attack and so your chance to do damage. And costs a feat. Therefore that there are rules for Bull Rush in 3.X makes it almost always a bad option. Those bull rush rules aren't clothes. They are a ball and chain round the fighter's ankle. (2e IIRC had bull rushes that don't provoke - but remember the fighter is the character least able to give up their main attack). 4e on the other hand gives everyone the equivalent of Bull Rush if they want to give up their attack - as 2e did. But it also lets fighters select Tide of Iron - which allows them to push without giving up the chance to do damage. Yes the option to push isn't a new one. But it's no longer a bad one most of the time. And a bad option isn't a true option unless you want to count bouncing around the dungeon on a pogo stick as an option.  Amusing. But a lean sports car really isn't what I see when I look at pre-4e AD&D/3.X rules. I see something like: <img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XHks_VgS4gc/T8Wg7qNXz3I/AAAAAAAADgA/W-Smo2YsfrU/s1600/Battlewagon+with+zzap+gun+3.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> On the other hand 4e looks to me more like: <img src="https://sites.google.com/site/sefeldtauto/JA-P1800-left-door-and-hood-open.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> And the Battlewagon looks much more fun and characterful to me as long as I don't actually have to ride it. Edit: Changed the picture for 4e from a sports car to the first volvo I could find with the bonnet open.</blockquote>

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