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<blockquote data-quote="JesterPoet" data-source="post: 490176" data-attributes="member: 138">We have been given no specific evidence that what he is doing is a &quot;socially disruptive practice&quot;.&nbsp; Remember, we're only getting one side of the story here.&nbsp; It could just as easily be a Tyrant GM (I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying we don't know)While I must agree that my term &quot;your own societal norms&quot; was a bit stupid, I think you still understood what I am getting at.&nbsp; This is an area where we may just disagree, but I think the social norm or being good to your friends and trying to work with them, rather than booting them supercedes any norm of trying to run a solid game.&nbsp; My friends are more important to me than my D&amp;D... but that may not be the case with everyone.Sorry, but I didn't see you speaking up when people were ragging on how many gamers are stinky and don't shower at GenCon, or how you're bound to get in a group with gamers who have no social skills because there are so many.&nbsp; If my statement was so incredibly offensive, I would chance it to say that you have thin skin.&nbsp; Again, we have no idea that this person has performed any unnaceptable social behavior.&nbsp; He has not thrown any tantrums that we have been told of, nor has he offended anybody.&nbsp; All we know is that he (or perhaps she... because using he would be a gross generalization) chooses to play very strange characters, and sometimes they can be problematic for storylines.&nbsp; This person hasn't (as far as we know) insulted anybody, or started throwing things around.&nbsp; The connections you are making aren't valid (though I'll concede that mine wasn't a whole lot better).&nbsp; The reality is that there are no good parallels to a dinner party or another game because what he is doing is not done with any malicious intent, nor with any intent to better his particular opportunity to &quot;win.&quot;&nbsp; He's simply playing what he wants to play, and may not even realize that it is making things difficult.However, my generalization still stands.&nbsp; There are many gamers with &quot;social issues.&quot;&nbsp; If you don't want to hear that, I'm sorry, but I am not the first to say it, and I won't be the last.&nbsp; By the way, please note I didn't say every gamer.&nbsp; I said many.Anyway, if it's your gaming group (this is not to anyone specific by the way... just a general statement) by all means, kick out whoever you want.&nbsp; I'm just trying to get people to think about the fact that there's often more to your life than games.... If they're just people you game with, fine... kick the dude out.&nbsp; But if these are your friends, you might want to make darned sure that you aren't going to hurt feelings by kicking out rather than trying to work really hard to compromise.&nbsp; It may not seem like a big deal now, but when the game gets old and the friend is gone, you'll regret it if you didn't try to make things as friendly as possible.&nbsp; Friends can last forever.&nbsp; Storylines will last a decade if you're lucky.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JesterPoet, post: 490176, member: 138"] We have been given no specific evidence that what he is doing is a "socially disruptive practice". Remember, we're only getting one side of the story here. It could just as easily be a Tyrant GM (I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying we don't know) While I must agree that my term "your own societal norms" was a bit stupid, I think you still understood what I am getting at. This is an area where we may just disagree, but I think the social norm or being good to your friends and trying to work with them, rather than booting them supercedes any norm of trying to run a solid game. My friends are more important to me than my D&D... but that may not be the case with everyone. Sorry, but I didn't see you speaking up when people were ragging on how many gamers are stinky and don't shower at GenCon, or how you're bound to get in a group with gamers who have no social skills because there are so many. If my statement was so incredibly offensive, I would chance it to say that you have thin skin. Again, we have no idea that this person has performed any unnaceptable social behavior. He has not thrown any tantrums that we have been told of, nor has he offended anybody. All we know is that he (or perhaps she... because using he would be a gross generalization) chooses to play very strange characters, and sometimes they can be problematic for storylines. This person hasn't (as far as [i]we[/i] know) insulted anybody, or started throwing things around. The connections you are making aren't valid (though I'll concede that mine wasn't a whole lot better). The reality is that there are no good parallels to a dinner party or another game because what he is doing is not done with any malicious intent, nor with any intent to better his particular opportunity to "win." He's simply playing what he wants to play, and may not even realize that it is making things difficult. However, my generalization still stands. There are many gamers with "social issues." If you don't want to hear that, I'm sorry, but I am not the first to say it, and I won't be the last. By the way, please note I didn't say [b]every[/b] gamer. I said many. Anyway, if it's your gaming group (this is not to anyone specific by the way... just a general statement) by all means, kick out whoever you want. I'm just trying to get people to think about the fact that there's often more to your life than games.... If they're just people you game with, fine... kick the dude out. But if these are your friends, you might want to make darned sure that you aren't going to hurt feelings by kicking out rather than trying to work really hard to compromise. It may not seem like a big deal now, but when the game gets old and the friend is gone, you'll regret it if you didn't try to make things as friendly as possible. Friends can last forever. Storylines will last a decade if you're lucky. [/QUOTE]

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