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Message: <blockquote data-quote="La Bete" data-source="post: 490864" data-attributes="member: 6079">Well, since you have established:You dont want to game without your friendYou have talked to him, but he doesnt understand that he is doing anything 'wrong'It is seriously bothering youFrom your description it is likely to be bothering the other players.The players personal behaviour isn't unacceptable, but the way he plays these characters is getting to you.Well, as you are probably aware, its probably mostly a gaming style thing. He sounds more like a beer-n-pretzels style of gamer (nothing wrong with that), rather than the rest of the group which is a little more serious (nothing wrong with that either).If you cant get him to change his ways, then youre probably best playing along, but directing those energies... He likes to play something a little 'weird'? goad him into playing an alternate race with special abilities, but ensure that he has to keep it secret - maybe have him have a sideline quest or something (again keep it quiet). With a fair bit of the spotlight on him, he may settle down as far as party interaction goes. Not particularly fair to the other players, but hey.Quite frankly however, you may at some stage be better off not having him in all the games you play, if your styles are very different. For example, my girlfriend used to be a gamer - but after a fair bit of talking, it became clear that her old group, and her style, was more BnP than my current group - so, although there is an open invite for her to join, we've pretty much figured it wouldnt be that much fun for all concerned.PS, as for the societal norms discussion going on above - while I normally try and avoid these circular arguments, I had to chip in to this one.I dont believe there is anything wrong with removing/not inviting a good friend along to any social context that you dont enjoy their company in. I have some good friends that I dont envite to some social contexts - and I dont see why the gaming context sholdnt be treated the same way.Admittedly, if ejecting him is likely to cause friendship probs (and you have said it isnt an option), then that is a different story.Hopefully, if he is a good mate, and a reasonable guy, he'll meet you halfway - fingers crossed!PPS - JesterPoet - whether or not people who called you out on the asocial gamer comment, defended gamers in the gencon threads, your comment was still pretty uncalled for.Edit - as for the random homicidal characters - nothing like a random sniper for those puppies.</blockquote>

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