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How do you make an NPC stay dead?
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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 589920" data-attributes="member: 2829"><p>It depends on how vindictive your DM is. Like Spikey mentioned, Soul Bind works wonders.</p><p></p><p>Trap the Soul can also work, but if you're DM is really lame, he'll just use a Wish to free the soul. Trap the Soul doesn't include the same "wish/miracle won't work" disclaimer, and its also one spell level lower than Wish.</p><p></p><p>Last but not least, if all else fails, find a DM that doesn't use cheesy-as-heck justifications for raising a BBEG over and over and over. Eventually, nobody cares if you're dead, thus nobody cares to bring you back. Besides, if a BBEG has to be brought back to life three or four times, then it should be quite obvious to his allies that he's an incompetent fool and isn't worth wasting resources on. After all, he died four times already, so its more than likely that he'll just die again, thus fail again.</p><p></p><p>Also, you can use the reverse psychology tactic on your DM. More often than not, the reason a BBEG keeps coming back to life (more than once) is simply because one of his allies/henchmen just so happens to be a high level cleric. It might not even be a close ally. Perhaps you killed the cleric after the last resurrection, but when you kill the BBEG again, he amazingly comes back to life somehow. If your DM says something like "He's got allies all over the place, and someone heard he had died" when you confront him about it, do the following...</p><p></p><p>...Every time you meet a high level cleric NPC, get on his good side. Just be nice to him and befriend him. Now, when <em>you</em> die, just smile at your DM. When he asks what you're so happy about, just say "I'm waiting." When he asks what you're waiting for, just say "I've got allies all over the place, and someone will hear that I have died."</p><p></p><p>OK, so maybe that's a rarely applicable tactic. Basically, if you're having to deal with a "rapid-resurrected-BBEG", ask yourself how you feel about that element of the game. Don't ask yourself if it's fair. Ask yourself if you think its cheese. If you think it's cheese, tell your DM its cheese. If you don't have to worry about "rapid-resurrected-BBEG's", and you just want to make sure that you can keep some dude from being brought back to life, use Soul Bind. Short of godly intervention, its pretty much fool-proof.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 589920, member: 2829"] It depends on how vindictive your DM is. Like Spikey mentioned, Soul Bind works wonders. Trap the Soul can also work, but if you're DM is really lame, he'll just use a Wish to free the soul. Trap the Soul doesn't include the same "wish/miracle won't work" disclaimer, and its also one spell level lower than Wish. Last but not least, if all else fails, find a DM that doesn't use cheesy-as-heck justifications for raising a BBEG over and over and over. Eventually, nobody cares if you're dead, thus nobody cares to bring you back. Besides, if a BBEG has to be brought back to life three or four times, then it should be quite obvious to his allies that he's an incompetent fool and isn't worth wasting resources on. After all, he died four times already, so its more than likely that he'll just die again, thus fail again. Also, you can use the reverse psychology tactic on your DM. More often than not, the reason a BBEG keeps coming back to life (more than once) is simply because one of his allies/henchmen just so happens to be a high level cleric. It might not even be a close ally. Perhaps you killed the cleric after the last resurrection, but when you kill the BBEG again, he amazingly comes back to life somehow. If your DM says something like "He's got allies all over the place, and someone heard he had died" when you confront him about it, do the following... ...Every time you meet a high level cleric NPC, get on his good side. Just be nice to him and befriend him. Now, when [i]you[/i] die, just smile at your DM. When he asks what you're so happy about, just say "I'm waiting." When he asks what you're waiting for, just say "I've got allies all over the place, and someone will hear that I have died." OK, so maybe that's a rarely applicable tactic. Basically, if you're having to deal with a "rapid-resurrected-BBEG", ask yourself how you feel about that element of the game. Don't ask yourself if it's fair. Ask yourself if you think its cheese. If you think it's cheese, tell your DM its cheese. If you don't have to worry about "rapid-resurrected-BBEG's", and you just want to make sure that you can keep some dude from being brought back to life, use Soul Bind. Short of godly intervention, its pretty much fool-proof. [/QUOTE]
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