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<blockquote data-quote="schnee" data-source="post: 7171920" data-attributes="member: 16728">My bias comes from 'a decade or more of seeing DMs set Paladins up to fail and then punish them in unfair ways'.Or, 'party scans group with alignment spell, sees evil, murders them all, cries &quot;but they were EVIL&quot;'.Or, 'I stab the Paladin (it's always the Paladin) in the back because I'm chaotic lol!'Is my left eye twitching again? It does that when I recall...those days. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh&nbsp; &nbsp; :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" />--In D&amp;D source literature, they were interesting thematic backgrounds, (like the Elric series Law/Chaos axis which was written as an explicit middle finger to typical pulp heroics), but I think they're too loaded as terms, and they create a really unfortunate dynamic at the table. I'd rather see people role-play motivations and backstories, rather than role-play living by abstract philosophical stances. The first one usually results in people that I can relate to. The other seems to often create caricatures who engage in baffling behaviors.I'm glad they've been shunted off a bit, and only 'intrinsically evil' gets a mechanical effect.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="schnee, post: 7171920, member: 16728"] My bias comes from 'a decade or more of seeing DMs set Paladins up to fail and then punish them in unfair ways'. Or, 'party scans group with alignment spell, sees evil, murders them all, cries "but they were EVIL"'. Or, 'I stab the Paladin (it's always the Paladin) in the back because I'm chaotic lol!' Is my left eye twitching again? It does that when I recall...[I]those[/I] days. :heh: -- In D&D source literature, they were interesting thematic backgrounds, (like the Elric series Law/Chaos axis which was written as an explicit middle finger to typical pulp heroics), but I think they're too loaded as terms, and they create a really unfortunate dynamic at the table. I'd rather see people role-play motivations and backstories, rather than role-play living by abstract philosophical stances. The first one usually results in people that I can relate to. The other seems to often create caricatures who engage in baffling behaviors. I'm glad they've been shunted off a bit, and only 'intrinsically evil' gets a mechanical effect. [/QUOTE]

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