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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6298933" data-attributes="member: 4937">The difference between reactive and proactive can be really blurred here.  Aren't you reacting to the swinging platform coming near to you?   If you know that the floor is about to drop away beneath you because you've triggered a trap, aren't you proactively jumping away from it in the sense that you anticipate a problem and actively jumping away and reacting to stimulus all at the same time?   Proactive activity is generally defined by its preparation and taking control of the situation.   So, tying a rope around your waist and securing it to some belay before you jump is clearly proactive.  Digging a foxhole when you aren't yet in contact with the enemy is clearly proactive.  Timing a jump to a narrow window is well a very blurry case, but in general I wouldn't define it as being in control of the situation or acting in a preparatory way.   A more proactive move might be using a grappling hook to try to alter the motion of the platforms.  Checks are more often than not active rather than proactive, and in general the cases here are so blurry that I don't find your distinctions particularly useful.So suppose that when each platform reached its closest point to the next, it dropped off, which would be defined as something bad happening to you, is it now a reflex save?  Suppose you only thought that the platform was about to collapse, what is it?Suppose we slightly alter the scenario.  You are now running down a collapsing bridge or causeway, leaping from stone pillar to stone pillar, just before the one behind you collapses.  Is this now reactive or is it still proactive?   It's the exact same ability being used whether or not the pillar you are currently on is going to fall 1 round from now or two or ten.I have already specified a scenario where if you fail the save, something bad certainly happens to you.I find that to be a particularly tedious and situational way to look at things.  A reflex save is used to determine how fast you react.  The situation you think you are in or will be in a fraction of a second hense just isn't really relevant because it requires foreknowing what the outcome is.  Timing a jump from one platform to the other is exactly the same whether the platform you are leaping from is going to drop away if you hesitate too long, or whether you just believe that it will drop away if you hesitate too long.  The important point is that you still must react within a small window of time whether you will be in danger after that window or not.  If you jump and miss the window in which you may safely jump, then you certainly will be in danger.  This is really simple.  Timing your jump to occur in a small window is a matter of reflexes.  Reflexes are measured by your reflex save.</blockquote>

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