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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8478339" data-attributes="member: 6779196">No, I mean they said a thing that wasn’t true. In my evaluation, that doesn’t really have a chance of failure, so there’s no need to roll for it. Arguably, if they had a specific goal in mind to which lying to the PCs was their approach, I suppose that might call for a roll to resolve, but I imagine such a goal would involve getting them to do or think something specific, and we’ve been over my thoughts on that matter in quite some depth recently <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😅" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f605.png" title="Grinning face with sweat&nbsp; &nbsp; :sweat_smile:" data-shortname=":sweat_smile:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />No, the way I see the scene playing out is, I describe what the NPC tells the PCs, probably including some kind of telegraph if it isn’t true. If the players decide their characters believe it then they believe it. If they decide they don’t believe it then they don’t believe it. If they decide to take some action to try and confirm their suspicions, they can describe it (with a clear statement of goal and an approach) and I’ll resolve that as I would any other action. I imagine a Wisdom (Insight) vs Charisma (Deception) contest would likely be the best way to do that, but it would depend on the specifics of the action.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8478339, member: 6779196"] No, I mean they said a thing that wasn’t true. In my evaluation, that doesn’t really have a chance of failure, so there’s no need to roll for it. Arguably, if they had a specific goal in mind to which lying to the PCs was their approach, I suppose that might call for a roll to resolve, but I imagine such a goal would involve getting them to do or think something specific, and we’ve been over my thoughts on that matter in quite some depth recently 😅 No, the way I see the scene playing out is, I describe what the NPC tells the PCs, probably including some kind of telegraph if it isn’t true. If the players decide their characters believe it then they believe it. If they decide they don’t believe it then they don’t believe it. If they decide to take some action to try and confirm their suspicions, they can describe it (with a clear statement of goal and an approach) and I’ll resolve that as I would any other action. I imagine a Wisdom (Insight) vs Charisma (Deception) contest would likely be the best way to do that, but it would depend on the specifics of the action. [/QUOTE]

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