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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 5105868" data-attributes="member: 710">This is awesome and has to be stolen. I will not even ask for permission. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I also like the previous thought, in the sense it is simply an Orc strategy. Orcs like their wars, and they like looting and pillaging. In my Points of Lights campaign, the Orcs were an important ally for the Hobgoblins fighting the Nerathi Empire. Until they, at some point, turned and attacked all sides. Why? Simply because they didn't want a winner. They wanted the chaos and instability. They wanted an environment in which they could continue plundering settlements and villages without having to fear the retribution of an organizing goblinoid or humanoid army. Despite the fact that at the end it were the Gnolls and their demon hordes that decimated the Nerathi Empire and its armies, the real winners at the end where the orcs - they got their "Points of Light. Of course, my orcs are not really interested in building an empire. Maybe in your campaign, that is a major change. And maybe even not popular everywhere. "Orcz do no need no stinking empires! We take what we want when we want, and let the others do the thinky stuff! Only the bold and the strong survive our warz, in an Empire the bootlickers and weaklings thrive!" To keep Orcs a valid threat over all levels, create different "breeds". You might actually redefine Goblinoids as an Orc type, or if not that, at least a "slave" race. And from there, you go up, possibly culminating in something like the Uruk-Hai or-what's-their-name as the "master" race.</blockquote>

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