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Message: <blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8399612" data-attributes="member: 86653">Optimizers tend to do this really weird thing where pure, perfect, and peak optimization is described as “good” or “okay” at something and anything less than that “sucks”. So a normal 5E character “sucks” because they’re not optimized. Not really, no. The default is broad competence and being slightly better at one or two things. The optimizers push the baseline to the absolute top, the highest bonus...the biggest list of skills...the most hit points...the most damage...the perfect X build...and claim anything less than that is trash.You can easily replace “good” or “okay” above with “competent”. A character isn’t “competent” unless they’re optimized. BS. A bog standard 1st-level non-variant human fighter with the standard array and no feats is competent at fighting...as long as you don’t dump stat their main attack stat or CON. The quick builds are all competent characters. What they’re not is optimized to the gills to pump out maximum damage. Optimized (aka the best you can possibly be at one task) is not a synonym for competent.</blockquote>