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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 4292236" data-attributes="member: 834">I said 'before dropping out of the fight'.&nbsp; All these people got stabbed more than once because they stopped being able to fight after the first thrust or two, usually.And they survived because they were getting stabbed by kitchen knives or pocket knifes, not daggers.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.mountainhollow.net/images/dagger%20flame%20ebony-damascus%20collab.%20ray%20smith.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />11 inches blade, blade is much thicker than on a pocket knife.&nbsp; How many time you think you can get this through the chest and keep fighting?&nbsp; In the opinion of sister who is a MD ; Once.&nbsp; Maybe you'll die, maybe you won't, but you won't be fighting anymore.&nbsp; Maybe you could manage to kill your attacker before he wrenches his blade away.&nbsp; Like, if you are the MAN.&nbsp; But failing that, you lost the fight.&nbsp; He'll wrench his weapon away and if you don't pass out, you'll proceed to bleed profusely, probably to death.&nbsp; To imply that this is what happens when a 3e PC suffers a critical blow from a a dagger in 3e, whether he has 10 hp or 100hp, makes more violence to realism than using abstract hp.&nbsp; Yet if you argue that the wound isn't as severe if you have 100hp (maybe it nicked instead going through the chest) you are already abstracting HP and are but one tiny step from 4e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 4292236, member: 834"] I said 'before dropping out of the fight'. All these people got stabbed more than once because they stopped being able to fight after the first thrust or two, usually. And they survived because they were getting stabbed by kitchen knives or pocket knifes, not daggers. [img]http://www.mountainhollow.net/images/dagger%20flame%20ebony-damascus%20collab.%20ray%20smith.JPG[/img] 11 inches blade, blade is much thicker than on a pocket knife. How many time you think you can get this through the chest and keep fighting? In the opinion of sister who is a MD ; Once. Maybe you'll die, maybe you won't, but you won't be fighting anymore. Maybe you could manage to kill your attacker before he wrenches his blade away. Like, if you are the MAN. But failing that, you lost the fight. He'll wrench his weapon away and if you don't pass out, you'll proceed to bleed profusely, probably to death. To imply that this is what happens when a 3e PC suffers a critical blow from a a dagger in 3e, whether he has 10 hp or 100hp, makes more violence to realism than using abstract hp. Yet if you argue that the wound isn't as severe if you have 100hp (maybe it nicked instead going through the chest) you are already abstracting HP and are but one tiny step from 4e. [/QUOTE]

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