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<blockquote data-quote="Danzauker" data-source="post: 4293136" data-attributes="member: 1929">If I can give my take on the HP / Hit Roll issue, I agree that they tread on their own feet.But that's for a very precise gaming need: HP give the player a sort of gauge of how things are going on.You could easily well go to the opposite end of the spectrum and model a combat system with no HP, where, for example, everything adds up to the Hit Roll modifier (like different weapon types) or AC, so that the first &quot;hit&quot; that comes up is the deadly one.Probably this is a more realistic simulation of melee fighting, but is it funnier? Basically you're waiting for your number to come out of the hat before your opponent. I'd personally rather play bingo.HP are there to allow all sorts of tactical response from the players depending on how the fight is going.They also have a sort of &quot;tradition&quot; in fantasy / faction / martial arts movies. In Kill Bill, the Bride excanges several connecting blows with her opponents, some of those fly them through a wall or a table.In real life, most of these would result in a broken leg or arm, and the abrupt end of the fight. Yet, they get up and keep fighting. They only lost some HP. After all, it's an action movie.Personally, my BEST example of a 4ed D&amp;D fight is the final fight between Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader in RotJ.They exchange lots of blows. Then Luke is very down of HP. Darth says: &quot;so you have a twin sister. If you don't follow me to the Dark side, maybe she will&quot;. Luke burns his second wind. Maybe some Action Points. Performs his best daily exploit and scores a critical and Darth is out.If 4ed allows me to represent in gameplay those sort of stunts, color me content.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Danzauker, post: 4293136, member: 1929"] If I can give my take on the HP / Hit Roll issue, I agree that they tread on their own feet. But that's for a very precise gaming need: HP give the player a sort of gauge of how things are going on. You could easily well go to the opposite end of the spectrum and model a combat system with no HP, where, for example, everything adds up to the Hit Roll modifier (like different weapon types) or AC, so that the first "hit" that comes up is the deadly one. Probably this is a more realistic simulation of melee fighting, but is it funnier? Basically you're waiting for your number to come out of the hat before your opponent. I'd personally rather play bingo. HP are there to allow all sorts of tactical response from the players depending on how the fight is going. They also have a sort of "tradition" in fantasy / faction / martial arts movies. In Kill Bill, the Bride excanges several connecting blows with her opponents, some of those fly them through a wall or a table. In real life, most of these would result in a broken leg or arm, and the abrupt end of the fight. Yet, they get up and keep fighting. They only lost some HP. After all, it's an action movie. Personally, my BEST example of a 4ed D&D fight is the final fight between Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader in RotJ. They exchange lots of blows. Then Luke is very down of HP. Darth says: "so you have a twin sister. If you don't follow me to the Dark side, maybe she will". Luke burns his second wind. Maybe some Action Points. Performs his best daily exploit and scores a critical and Darth is out. If 4ed allows me to represent in gameplay those sort of stunts, color me content. [/QUOTE]

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