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<blockquote data-quote="Keltheos" data-source="post: 4293958" data-attributes="member: 68133">I'm a newcomer to these forums and any in-depth d20 post-conversations in general (having recently found the EN forums because Wizards are so ass-slow), but am not a newcomer to RP gaming. And I very much do know what the word means and in reading several threads on these boards I feel exactly like Mistwell describes above. There's a level of elitism thrown about by RPG'ers that rivals the hubris reserved for academists who need a dose of reality. I could point to several threads on the first 2 pages of even this forum as examples (whether the OP or within the threads themselves) that would turn off any reader who is not sufficiently immersed in the wildly speculative metagame that is 'make or break 4e with my posts'. It's been out for, what, a week now and already there's threads about how the math works/doesn't work, how this class or that class is great/worthless and all of this without anyone spending enough hours actually PLAYING the game to know if their suspicions/models/estimations will bear out. I'd be very impressed to meet a group who has played from 1st to 30th level since getting the books on 6/6/08. Anyway, I'll treat these forums like every other. The first page or 2 of a topic of interest are usually informative, after that it's junk mail and flame bait.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Keltheos, post: 4293958, member: 68133"] I'm a newcomer to these forums and any in-depth d20 post-conversations in general (having recently found the EN forums because Wizards are so ass-slow), but am not a newcomer to RP gaming. And I very much do know what the word means and in reading several threads on these boards I feel exactly like Mistwell describes above. There's a level of elitism thrown about by RPG'ers that rivals the hubris reserved for academists who need a dose of reality. I could point to several threads on the first 2 pages of even this forum as examples (whether the OP or within the threads themselves) that would turn off any reader who is not sufficiently immersed in the wildly speculative metagame that is 'make or break 4e with my posts'. It's been out for, what, a week now and already there's threads about how the math works/doesn't work, how this class or that class is great/worthless and all of this without anyone spending enough hours actually PLAYING the game to know if their suspicions/models/estimations will bear out. I'd be very impressed to meet a group who has played from 1st to 30th level since getting the books on 6/6/08. Anyway, I'll treat these forums like every other. The first page or 2 of a topic of interest are usually informative, after that it's junk mail and flame bait. [/QUOTE]

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