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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stormrunner" data-source="post: 1996469" data-attributes="member: 13471">Fusangite, I see where you're coming from, but you seem to have a tendency to phrase your posts as "You disagree with me so you must be an idiot".  This naturally raises people's hackles and makes them want to refute you.  And frankly, you're making some pretty broad assumptions yourself.  In particular, you seem to be assuming that there will be no "empty land" ATC (After the Cataclysm), given your repeated posts about "land hunger is not the primary cause of wars" and "people will be more aggressive ATC, not less".  DMH isn't talking about wars between neighboring nations, he's talking about expansion into empty territory.  The human empire suddenly has only 1/10 as many soldiers.  Do they continue to weakly defend a large territory, or do they pull back, consolidate, and fortify their most important "core" areas?  Probably the latter.  The kobolds, meanwhile are doing the same.  Now instead of the nearest kobold burrow being a few miles from the nearest human border fort, that burrow and that fort are both abandoned and the nearest distance is tens or even hundreds of miles.  The humans may be "more aggressive" and want to kill the kobolds, but doing so now takes more time and effort and is more dangerous (longer journey through uncivilized lands), so the pressure on the kobolds from the humans will indeed probably be less, at least for a while.  As you yourself pointed out, pastoralists tend to have the advantage over agriculturalists immediately ATC.  WHY? I suspect it's because moving a herd into new grazing land is much faster and easier than clearing/plowing/and planting a new acre - in other words, the pastoralists can expand faster.And both of you have gotten sidetracked into the minutiae of specific races (kobolds vs elves) instead of treating them as examples, as they were originally used.  From here on I'm going to use "kobolds" in quotes to mean "kobolds, goblins, jermlaine, and other Small fast-breeding races", because it's a lot easier on my typing fingers than saying "kobolds, goblins, jermlaine, hobbits, and other Small fast-breeding races" every time.Yes, in the real world ther are more species than grass and oaks.  However, the grass still recolonizes faster than the oaks - in the real world, not just in somebody's head - because it grows and reproduces faster.  In the long run, the bushes and trees literally overshadow the grass and take over - but in the short run, the grass does get there first.My scenario: the first to move into the "empty land" will be the highly-mobile, nomadic/pastoral races such as centaurs and worgs - they can get there and stake a claim first, and can immediately use the territory they claim.  They will dominate for a while, but be slowly pushed out by the "kobolds", who are better at fortifying and holding onto the land they claim, and may be agricultural (just because they're nocturnal doesn't mean a race has to be subterranean).  These in turn will be gradually conquered by the "humans", who have less quantity but more quality (longer lifespan = greater skills/knowledge = better equipment/magic).</blockquote>

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