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<blockquote data-quote="BartD" data-source="post: 3969323" data-attributes="member: 53786">I have not been able to find the exact text you quote (where is it from?), but it certainly sounds like the usual rule.But... maybe the specific grappling rules (which could imply multiple natural attacks with one natural weapon) trump the general rule on the number of natural attacks? Ok, that's mostly arguing for argument's sake. I agree your interpretation sounds reasonable. Reasonable but with a weird consequence. I find it really weird that a character with BAB +6 gets multiple real-damage attacks with his dagger or armor spikes while a non-classed creature only ever gets one unless it has Rake or something like that. So for example, just because it is grappling, a predator like a wyvern cannot both bite and sting? Weird.(Edit: Or does &quot;If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and stings&quot; mean that it gets a sting attack in addition to its bite?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BartD, post: 3969323, member: 53786"] I have not been able to find the exact text you quote (where is it from?), but it certainly sounds like the usual rule. But... maybe the specific grappling rules (which could imply multiple natural attacks with one natural weapon) trump the general rule on the number of natural attacks? Ok, that's mostly arguing for argument's sake. I agree your interpretation sounds reasonable. Reasonable but with a weird consequence. I find it really weird that a character with BAB +6 gets multiple real-damage attacks with his dagger or armor spikes while a non-classed creature only ever gets one unless it has Rake or something like that. So for example, just because it is grappling, a predator like a wyvern cannot both bite and sting? Weird. (Edit: Or does "If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and stings" mean that it gets a sting attack in addition to its bite?) [/QUOTE]

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