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<blockquote data-quote="BartD" data-source="post: 3973160" data-attributes="member: 53786">That's what it sounds like to me as well. The reason I question it is I don't find it reasonable that for example a grappling wyvern only gets one real attack against another wyvern, and a leopard cannot rend a human. (Because they are of the same size, Improved Grapple does not work and therefore they can only attack once with one of their many natural weapons. In addition, the wyvern with BAB&gt;+5 can try to damage its opponent by grappling for unarmed damage of d4+4.)So I'm still not quite satisfied, I feel that monsters in general should be more dangerous in a grapple. I find it especially strange that when grappling/pinning, holding a dagger or wearing spiked armor can give more attacks than having bite and claws.It makes me considering letting natural weapons be used to &quot;Damage Your Opponent&quot; when grappling, with each natural weapon being used no more than once per turn. That would allow creatures with multiple natural weapons and sufficient BAB to attack multiple times while grappling/pinning. But maybe it will give some bad side effects I can't think of right now?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BartD, post: 3973160, member: 53786"] That's what it sounds like to me as well. The reason I question it is I don't find it reasonable that for example a grappling wyvern only gets one real attack against another wyvern, and a leopard cannot rend a human. (Because they are of the same size, Improved Grapple does not work and therefore they can only attack once with one of their many natural weapons. In addition, the wyvern with BAB>+5 can try to damage its opponent by grappling for unarmed damage of d4+4.) So I'm still not quite satisfied, I feel that monsters in general should be more dangerous in a grapple. I find it especially strange that when grappling/pinning, holding a dagger or wearing spiked armor can give more attacks than having bite and claws. It makes me considering letting natural weapons be used to "Damage Your Opponent" when grappling, with each natural weapon being used no more than once per turn. That would allow creatures with multiple natural weapons and sufficient BAB to attack multiple times while grappling/pinning. But maybe it will give some bad side effects I can't think of right now? [/QUOTE]

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