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<blockquote data-quote="BartD" data-source="post: 3973428" data-attributes="member: 53786">Thanks for the link. It has been edited in March 2007, mostly regarding natural weapons. (thought: could this editing have something to do with 4e?)I don't remember when the Rules Compendium is from relative to March 2007 and don't know if &quot;Rules of the Game&quot; is official (don't think it really is). But after all this discussion I think what I'm after is a set of grappling rules that are workable and not too unreasonable. And the (edited) Rules of the Game seem like a good bid.One thing I cannot figure out, though, is whether a creature with more natural weapons than it would get iterative attacks for BAB gets to full attack with all its natural weapons? On one hand, it is stated (under &quot;Attack Your Opponent&quot;) that &quot;If you have multiple natural weapons (...) you can use all of them while grappling. which sounds like a full attack sequence to me.But then there are two references to the number of attacks depending on BAB (in the beginning under &quot;Your Options When Grappling&quot; and later under &quot;Monsters and Grappling&quot;) saying that &quot;If your base attack bonus allows you multiple attacks, you can attempt one of these maneuvers in place of each of your attacks, but you use successively lower attack bonuses to resolve any required opposed grapple checks&quot; and &quot;The monster gets as many “attacks” in a full attack action as it would get if it were attacking with a weapon, based on its base attack bonus&quot;.Basically, I don't know if a monster gets the option of full attacking with all its natural weapons or is limited by its BAB?I also note that armor spikes can be used while pinning but natural weapons cannot be used unless the creature has Improved Grab. (Not sure what I think of it, though.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BartD, post: 3973428, member: 53786"] Thanks for the link. It has been edited in March 2007, mostly regarding natural weapons. (thought: could this editing have something to do with 4e?) I don't remember when the Rules Compendium is from relative to March 2007 and don't know if "Rules of the Game" is official (don't think it really is). But after all this discussion I think what I'm after is a set of grappling rules that are workable and not too unreasonable. And the (edited) Rules of the Game seem like a good bid. One thing I cannot figure out, though, is whether a creature with more natural weapons than it would get iterative attacks for BAB gets to full attack with all its natural weapons? On one hand, it is stated (under "Attack Your Opponent") that "If you have multiple natural weapons (...) you can use all of them while grappling. which sounds like a full attack sequence to me. But then there are two references to the number of attacks depending on BAB (in the beginning under "Your Options When Grappling" and later under "Monsters and Grappling") saying that "If your base attack bonus allows you multiple attacks, you can attempt one of these maneuvers in place of each of your attacks, but you use successively lower attack bonuses to resolve any required opposed grapple checks" and "The monster gets as many “attacks” in a full attack action as it would get if it were attacking with a weapon, based on its base attack bonus". Basically, I don't know if a monster gets the option of full attacking with all its natural weapons or is limited by its BAB? I also note that armor spikes can be used while pinning but natural weapons cannot be used unless the creature has Improved Grab. (Not sure what I think of it, though.) [/QUOTE]

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