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<blockquote data-quote="LordEntrails" data-source="post: 9831718" data-attributes="member: 6804070"><p>So I should subsidize the product because it will never gross enough to pay for a professional editor. Or, since I think it's pretty good I could just give it away for free. Therefore devaluing the RPG content market (just a tiny bit) for those that actually need to be paid a fair wage for RPG work.</p><p></p><p>The only reason I charge for my work is because I feel strongly that RPG professionals <em>should </em>get paid a fair wage. I also feel that the content I create now is near professional level. And if I release it for free, then I devalue that market. And then other creators that want to do it for a living will have a harder time doing so.</p><p></p><p>There are lots of options here, I just think that it's apparent the anti-AI crowd is not actually helping sustain RPG creators, not in the long term.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure if using AI as an editor counts or not. Others think it does, and they have a strong point given the wording on DriveThru's page. I do think it does the community a disservice though to lump all AI use into the same pool or to taint everything AI touches as "slop".</p><p></p><p>So I would be happy to use you. What percentage of gross would you charge? Would you edit for grammar, structure, and plot a 15,000 word adventure? We'll be fortunate if it sells 100 copies. We can price it at whatever you think is fair. But I don't think that would pay you a fair wage. Or, what about a flat rate? And since I'm not trying to build a business, what part of my personal discretionary budget does this come from?</p><p></p><p>I'm sorry. Did not mean to sound aggressive and certainly don't feel aggravation about this topic. I will certainly try, and am always open to constructive feedback to help me improve. I know I'm not good at presenting tone or attitude in written form. (Work does have an AI agent that reviews email for tone, maybe something similar ... oh wait, yeah, that wouldn't go over well.)</p><p></p><p>I'm trying to figure out the right way. Hence why the specific example and the questions. Apparently my tone and level of honest inquiry is not being communicated. And I see a lot of options, but here seem to the be the most morally sound, I just don't know which is the "right way".</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Publish with the AI suggested corrections and make a statement to that affect. Immediately lose more than 50% of the market because they don't care how AI was used and will boycott it. Many of them will also boycott anything I have already published or do produce in the future.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Remove the AI suggested corrections and publish as is. Knowing there are a couple of errors. (Do I publish an errata then stating I know about the errors but can't amend the file?)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hire a professional editor and RPG reviewer and send them the pre-improved version and see if they catch the errors AI caught? (Do I tell them about the known errors or risk being accused of trapping them?) And then publish free from the AI tainted slop? And in the meantime do I take funds from my personal budget to pay for this knowing it will never profit enough to pay back the editor's fair wage? (Note, I'm not trying to start a business here, so it's not about investing in the future. I'm trying not to devalue the RPG creation market).</li> </ul><p></p><p>All, in the end I think this is a complex topic. And one emotionally charged as well. Truly I'm trying to be aware and sensitive to all views. I just don't see absolutes being the long-term solution for the TTRPG industry or community.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LordEntrails, post: 9831718, member: 6804070"] So I should subsidize the product because it will never gross enough to pay for a professional editor. Or, since I think it's pretty good I could just give it away for free. Therefore devaluing the RPG content market (just a tiny bit) for those that actually need to be paid a fair wage for RPG work. The only reason I charge for my work is because I feel strongly that RPG professionals [I]should [/I]get paid a fair wage. I also feel that the content I create now is near professional level. And if I release it for free, then I devalue that market. And then other creators that want to do it for a living will have a harder time doing so. There are lots of options here, I just think that it's apparent the anti-AI crowd is not actually helping sustain RPG creators, not in the long term. I'm not sure if using AI as an editor counts or not. Others think it does, and they have a strong point given the wording on DriveThru's page. I do think it does the community a disservice though to lump all AI use into the same pool or to taint everything AI touches as "slop". So I would be happy to use you. What percentage of gross would you charge? Would you edit for grammar, structure, and plot a 15,000 word adventure? We'll be fortunate if it sells 100 copies. We can price it at whatever you think is fair. But I don't think that would pay you a fair wage. Or, what about a flat rate? And since I'm not trying to build a business, what part of my personal discretionary budget does this come from? I'm sorry. Did not mean to sound aggressive and certainly don't feel aggravation about this topic. I will certainly try, and am always open to constructive feedback to help me improve. I know I'm not good at presenting tone or attitude in written form. (Work does have an AI agent that reviews email for tone, maybe something similar ... oh wait, yeah, that wouldn't go over well.) I'm trying to figure out the right way. Hence why the specific example and the questions. Apparently my tone and level of honest inquiry is not being communicated. And I see a lot of options, but here seem to the be the most morally sound, I just don't know which is the "right way". [LIST] [*]Publish with the AI suggested corrections and make a statement to that affect. Immediately lose more than 50% of the market because they don't care how AI was used and will boycott it. Many of them will also boycott anything I have already published or do produce in the future. [*]Remove the AI suggested corrections and publish as is. Knowing there are a couple of errors. (Do I publish an errata then stating I know about the errors but can't amend the file?) [*]Hire a professional editor and RPG reviewer and send them the pre-improved version and see if they catch the errors AI caught? (Do I tell them about the known errors or risk being accused of trapping them?) And then publish free from the AI tainted slop? And in the meantime do I take funds from my personal budget to pay for this knowing it will never profit enough to pay back the editor's fair wage? (Note, I'm not trying to start a business here, so it's not about investing in the future. I'm trying not to devalue the RPG creation market). [/LIST] All, in the end I think this is a complex topic. And one emotionally charged as well. Truly I'm trying to be aware and sensitive to all views. I just don't see absolutes being the long-term solution for the TTRPG industry or community. [/QUOTE]
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