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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6595149" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>Now, if we assume that degree of difference applies whenever an aligned creature is encountered, whether or not anyone is speaking, and that it is the furthest removed alignment of the group that determines the modifier, then do we consider the speaker's difference in alignment in all cases in which someone is speaking, or only if it is the furthest removed of the group?</p><p></p><p>My inclination is that only the greatest penalty should apply, whether from the speaker or another group member. This is in keeping with the way EGG instructs us to use the adjustments for Racial Preference and Special Considerations, using only the biggest pluses and minuses. For difference in alignment there are only penalties, so I would assume that only one modifier would apply, but notice that EGG tells us that the racial preference adjustments are cumulative for liege and associates. Should this logic be extended to the alignment factors as well, or are the preference adjustments specifically called out because they are meant to be used differently?</p><p></p><p>This brings me to another issue, that of the Alignment of Liege modifiers. Clearly, these are to be used when a character is speaking. The rationale seems to be that the speech of a character with a lawful alignment will produce a positive response in an individual, regardless of the individual's own alignment, while that of a character with a chaotic alignment will produce a negative response. The implication seems to be that someone who puts the needs of the group over the needs of the individual will garner a more positive response from people in general. Likewise, good alignment is more favored than evil alignment, but to a lesser degree. Even LE gets a more positive response than NG. So the right to life, happiness, and freedom from cruelty and suffering (as goodness is defined in the DMG) is not as important as ensuring that the group is provided for, but it does provide some icing on the cake. CE holds a special place in this scheme as the alignment that incurs a penalty greater in absolute terms than the highest bonus, that given for LG. This alignment seems to be extremely threatening to all who encounter it and may explain why LE is seen in a positive light in that it promises to protect the group, by the most expedient means, from the depredations of the strong. Thus we have Asmodeus serving as the champion of Law in the unending war with demon-kind.</p><p></p><p>My question is, are there any classes of creature that would not feel threatened when faced with the CE outlook, or is it the nature of CE that it threatens all individuals, regardless of extra-planar origins, for example?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 6595149, member: 6787503"] Now, if we assume that degree of difference applies whenever an aligned creature is encountered, whether or not anyone is speaking, and that it is the furthest removed alignment of the group that determines the modifier, then do we consider the speaker's difference in alignment in all cases in which someone is speaking, or only if it is the furthest removed of the group? My inclination is that only the greatest penalty should apply, whether from the speaker or another group member. This is in keeping with the way EGG instructs us to use the adjustments for Racial Preference and Special Considerations, using only the biggest pluses and minuses. For difference in alignment there are only penalties, so I would assume that only one modifier would apply, but notice that EGG tells us that the racial preference adjustments are cumulative for liege and associates. Should this logic be extended to the alignment factors as well, or are the preference adjustments specifically called out because they are meant to be used differently? This brings me to another issue, that of the Alignment of Liege modifiers. Clearly, these are to be used when a character is speaking. The rationale seems to be that the speech of a character with a lawful alignment will produce a positive response in an individual, regardless of the individual's own alignment, while that of a character with a chaotic alignment will produce a negative response. The implication seems to be that someone who puts the needs of the group over the needs of the individual will garner a more positive response from people in general. Likewise, good alignment is more favored than evil alignment, but to a lesser degree. Even LE gets a more positive response than NG. So the right to life, happiness, and freedom from cruelty and suffering (as goodness is defined in the DMG) is not as important as ensuring that the group is provided for, but it does provide some icing on the cake. CE holds a special place in this scheme as the alignment that incurs a penalty greater in absolute terms than the highest bonus, that given for LG. This alignment seems to be extremely threatening to all who encounter it and may explain why LE is seen in a positive light in that it promises to protect the group, by the most expedient means, from the depredations of the strong. Thus we have Asmodeus serving as the champion of Law in the unending war with demon-kind. My question is, are there any classes of creature that would not feel threatened when faced with the CE outlook, or is it the nature of CE that it threatens all individuals, regardless of extra-planar origins, for example? [/QUOTE]
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