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How does Combat Reflexes and Expert Tactician Give an Extra Attack?
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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1246602" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>My own take on this is as follows:</p><p>There is no synergy between bluff and Expert Tactician at all.</p><p></p><p>Bluff denies your opponent dex vs your next attack.</p><p>Until the attack occurs your opponent has dex.</p><p>After the attack occurs your opponent has dex.</p><p>Your opponent is only denied dex at the precise moment you make the next melee attack.</p><p></p><p>Song and Silence ET grants the attack when your foe is denied your dex either before or after your normal actions.</p><p>At neither of those points is your opponent denied his/her dex. Therefore ET never kicks in.</p><p></p><p>The 3.0 FAQ disagrees with this interpretation and has a bizarre passage that seems to be following the Sword and Fist text of ET rather than the Song and Silence one since it directly contradicts the text of the S&S ET by allowing it to function more than once/round. IMO, that FAQ is best ignored.</p><p></p><p>I think it's also reasonable (although not correct according to the letter of the rules) to use your second interpretation and give one Sneak Attack and one normal attack.</p><p></p><p>If you wanted a feat that would let a very skilled duellist feint twice for extra damage, you might look at a Duellist prestige class (with the Precise Strike ability--it's similar to SA but easier to get) or create a feat like this:</p><p>Supreme Feint:</p><p>Prereqs: BAB +9, 15 ranks of bluff, Int 13+, dex 15+</p><p>Benefit: When you successfully feint in combat to deny an opponent his dex bonus, you may make an immediate attack against that opponent. (This counts as your next melee attack).</p><p>Normal: You must take an attack action or be fortunate enough to get an AoO in order to attack after feinting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1246602, member: 3146"] My own take on this is as follows: There is no synergy between bluff and Expert Tactician at all. Bluff denies your opponent dex vs your next attack. Until the attack occurs your opponent has dex. After the attack occurs your opponent has dex. Your opponent is only denied dex at the precise moment you make the next melee attack. Song and Silence ET grants the attack when your foe is denied your dex either before or after your normal actions. At neither of those points is your opponent denied his/her dex. Therefore ET never kicks in. The 3.0 FAQ disagrees with this interpretation and has a bizarre passage that seems to be following the Sword and Fist text of ET rather than the Song and Silence one since it directly contradicts the text of the S&S ET by allowing it to function more than once/round. IMO, that FAQ is best ignored. I think it's also reasonable (although not correct according to the letter of the rules) to use your second interpretation and give one Sneak Attack and one normal attack. If you wanted a feat that would let a very skilled duellist feint twice for extra damage, you might look at a Duellist prestige class (with the Precise Strike ability--it's similar to SA but easier to get) or create a feat like this: Supreme Feint: Prereqs: BAB +9, 15 ranks of bluff, Int 13+, dex 15+ Benefit: When you successfully feint in combat to deny an opponent his dex bonus, you may make an immediate attack against that opponent. (This counts as your next melee attack). Normal: You must take an attack action or be fortunate enough to get an AoO in order to attack after feinting. [/QUOTE]
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