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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 1384236" data-attributes="member: 111">Okay, the crux of the thing is whether or not a Feat is is an "effect" such that a monk's unarmed strike would count as a natural weapon, right?That's the same question as whether or not a Feat is is an "effect" such that a monk's unarmed strike would count as a manufactured weapon, right?Improved Natural Attack:Improved CriticalIf you can take Improved Critical with the monk's unarmed attack, then you must be able to take Improved Natural Attack, right? For if Improved Critical counts the same as an "effect" for the purposes of a monk's unarmed attack, then so must Improved Natural Attack.Okay, now we look at the DMG, page 118, column 2, where find find that the sample monk has Improved Critical (Unarmed Strike).The Improved Critical example is very strong evidence indeed that feats that produce an enhancing effect make the monks unarmed strike count as an a manufactured or natural weapon, as appropriate.That said, it's been disallowed in my game for two reasons:1. The monk already has this feat, more or less. His natural attack has been improved through training, etc. This is not the strongest argument, because then, by extension, Weapon Focus or other possible weapon improving feats could not be taken.2. The feat Fists of Iron from CW gives +1d6 for the monk, a very similar, but not quite so subject to abuse, feat. Allowing both simply does not feel right, and the one in the Monster Manual was designed for monsters, really, and is subject to abuse by PCs.Frankly, both (1) and (2) are not very strong argument for why to disallow it, but we decided that was strong enough for our game and so, for us, it's available for MM creatures only.I submit, however, that we are using a house rule (or Rule 0, if you like) to disallow all PCs the use of this feat.</blockquote>

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