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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 1091796" data-attributes="member: 172">If that was their entire intent, they failed to apply it consistently (which I think is exactly the case) as the core classes, as I have already shown, do show compensation for out of combat activity.You say that as if those were tangential considerations? They aren't. What is the difference between PC and NPC, balance-wise? With NPCs, balance is primarily a factor of the challenge they present to PCs in combat. With PCs, you also have to factor in resources that they use to grapple with challenges outside of combat. Fair enough, I'll give you that. It's certainly partially about the fact that many creature abilities circumvent traditional party resource considerations. But again, don't try to foist a false dichotomy on me. The bywords of the designers is that ECL and CR are different because tehy measure different things, not just that they measure staying power. A mind flayer's ECL is so high, in part, because it has significant high level abilities that are very useful in grappling with challenges outside of combat. My assumptions are based directly on your posts here; if that isn't sufficient, feel free to clarify, but if you really expect me to read your mind to have a discussion, we might as well hang it up right here.On this point I can only beg to differ. I have seen mid to high level mages tapped out of effective spells and pulling out the back-up wand in many games. I can't not think that a MT or EK would be pulling out their other class spells or swords as appropriate in those situations. Considering that my methods pretty much come out of the DMG, I think I have a pretty strong reason to believe that my way is actually the not as odd as you would like to imply. And reading various story hour accounts of pitched battles that end with tapped out mages, that only leads me more to think that I am in no way an outlier here.Re "delusion" and "master of misinterperetation": There you go with the attacks again. Make your argument or don't make it. Spare me the snipes.</blockquote>

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