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<blockquote data-quote="abirdcall" data-source="post: 8355862" data-attributes="member: 6748898">Is there a rule about False Appearance that states this?I think FA is far different than Disguise Self. I know some people like to play that the PC or creature who declares attack first gets 'surprise' but I don't like that. Initiative is the best way to resolve the conflict of who goes first. This will also apply when a creature is perceived to be non-threatening which may be the goal of Disguise Self. The PCs/creatures still know that they could be a threat and so aren't surprised in most circumstances. In this case as a DM I might give the duped PCs/creatures disadvantage to their initiative.False Appearance on the other hand could result in Surprise. What is the difference between a Mud Mephit being a pile of mud and a creature hiding within a pile of mud? In both cases the mud can be seen but the creature cannot. In game I would think about the circumstances and whether there would be any clues about things being off. Would it make sense for there to be a pile of mud there given the current circumstances? This is the same for Animated Objects. Does the object look like it belongs in its surroundings or is there something off? Perhaps it is the only object without a layer of dust.Avoiding Surprise against creatures with False Appearance is not about seeing it, it's about noticing that something isn't quite right about it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="abirdcall, post: 8355862, member: 6748898"] Is there a rule about False Appearance that states this? I think FA is far different than Disguise Self. I know some people like to play that the PC or creature who declares attack first gets 'surprise' but I don't like that. Initiative is the best way to resolve the conflict of who goes first. This will also apply when a creature is perceived to be non-threatening which may be the goal of Disguise Self. The PCs/creatures still know that they could be a threat and so aren't surprised in most circumstances. In this case as a DM I might give the duped PCs/creatures disadvantage to their initiative. False Appearance on the other hand could result in Surprise. What is the difference between a Mud Mephit being a pile of mud and a creature hiding within a pile of mud? In both cases the mud can be seen but the creature cannot. In game I would think about the circumstances and whether there would be any clues about things being off. Would it make sense for there to be a pile of mud there given the current circumstances? This is the same for Animated Objects. Does the object look like it belongs in its surroundings or is there something off? Perhaps it is the only object without a layer of dust. Avoiding Surprise against creatures with False Appearance is not about seeing it, it's about noticing that something isn't quite right about it. [/QUOTE]

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