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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8391940" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Some of that's DM discretion IMHO.  It depends.  Is the invisible person moving through brush, past a curtain, perhaps walking on muddy ground?  In a quiet hallway on a hard floor?  Are there guard dogs that may be relying on scent instead of sight and sound?Pass without trace mutes the sound of your passage, it doesn't eliminate it completely.  On the other hand I do rule that to notice a creature there has to be something to detect.  You can't detect an invisible person flying over a busy marketplace in my campaign for example unless that person gets unlucky and a bird runs into them for example.  But a person walking down a marble hallway in an otherwise quiet corridor?  The invisibility takes care of the seeing them, the muted sound gives them the +10.You are not going to get 100% agreement on this though, some people will run it very much by the book.</blockquote>