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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8391977" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Stealth is one of those areas where they left it "The DM decides".  If you can be clearly seen - and pass without trace just enhances existing circumstances it doesn't make you invisible - you can't hide.Being invisible means you are heavily obscured and thus can hide but may be detected by other means.  If they aren't taking the hide action then it's really up to the DM.  Think of it this way.  I'm sitting out on the porch right now, enjoying the nice weather.  There's probably a fly somewhere within 10 feet that I am completely unaware of because it's too small and I can't see it.  It's not buzzing or doing anything I could possibly detect.  If there was an invisible elephant in the driveway, I might be able to see footprints in gravel or hear it moving around.Does that make sense?  I mean, there just is no one true answer.  Read the section in the PHB on hiding and make your best judgement.  IMHO not taking the hide action does not automatically mean you are detected.  After all I assume you don't know exactly where I am as I type this other than on a porch somewhere in the world, being paranoid about flies and invisible elephants.If you think someone would not automatically be detected but they have not taken the hide action (and thus don't follow the normal rules) you have to decide if it's possible and if so how likely.  From there I would use the standard Typical DCs in the DMG under running the game versus their passive perception.But that's just me.</blockquote>

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