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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 8493015" data-attributes="member: 7031982">/eyerollYou forgot a step in the action resolution loop.&nbsp; If the player declares they are hiding, the DM can simply declare it an auto-success without a dice roll.&nbsp; I very explicitly said &quot;this is how I would rule it&quot;, and was writing in the context of rogues using their bonus action to Hide.&nbsp; Rather than waste time rolling (at that point) I'll just grant them the success, assuming they have total cover.Not quite.&nbsp; The rules says that's how it works if you are hidden.&nbsp; But obviously if you are behind total cover you can't see your target, so in order to shoot you have to move, and if you come out from behind your cover, the DM can rule you are no longer hidden. What I'm saying is that at that point, when they emerge from total cover, I'd be willing (in general) to let the rogue roll, to see if they can remain out of the target's view.I realize that's not how most DMs (at least the ones I've played with) do this.&nbsp; Most people just let you pop out and shoot.&nbsp; And I'm not going to make any claims about whether or not that's RAW, RAI, or whatever.&nbsp; But what I'm describing does not contradict the rules.Um, yeah.&nbsp; As I was saying above, I wrote &quot;this is how I would rule it&quot; not &quot;what the rules say you must do&quot;.I'd be happy to keep discussing this with you...I might be missing something.&nbsp; But please drop the arrogance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bill Zebub, post: 8493015, member: 7031982"] /eyeroll You forgot a step in the action resolution loop. If the player declares they are hiding, the DM can simply declare it an auto-success without a dice roll. I very explicitly said "this is how I would rule it", [I]and[/I] was writing in the context of rogues using their bonus action to Hide. Rather than waste time rolling (at that point) I'll just grant them the success, assuming they have total cover. Not quite. The rules says that's how it works [I]if you are hidden[/I]. But obviously if you are behind total cover you can't see your target, so in order to shoot you have to move, and if you come out from behind your cover, the DM can rule you are no longer hidden. What I'm saying is that at that point, when they emerge from total cover, I'd be willing (in general) to let the rogue roll, to see if they can remain out of the target's view. I realize that's not how most DMs (at least the ones I've played with) do this. Most people just let you pop out and shoot. And I'm not going to make any claims about whether or not that's RAW, RAI, or whatever. But what I'm describing does not contradict the rules. Um, yeah. As I was saying above, I wrote "this is how I would rule it" not "what the rules say you must do". I'd be happy to keep discussing this with you...I might be missing something. But please drop the arrogance. [/QUOTE]

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