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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8493160" data-attributes="member: 6801845">This response, to me, is why how people handle stealth should be left up to the DM and the group. A lot of "the rules say" with little actual quoting of the rules.  Nothing states that you have to take an action to be hidden, hidden just means you are unseen and unheard.Page 73 of the basic rules:     When a creature can’t see you, you have advantage on attack rolls against it.     If you are hidden—both unseen and unheard—when you make an attack, you give away your location when the attack hits or misses.A simple example.  It's night and the target doesn't have darkvision and is relying on a torch to see.  They're also standing next to a thundering waterfall that drowns anything but the loudest noise.  I would consider an attacker a hundred feet away with a longbow hidden and would therefore get advantage.  They wouldn't even give away their position, other than general direction.  Because at some point the rules simply don't, can't, and aren't intended to cover every situation.Nope.  Nothing says that.  Please provide a quote from an official book.  What it does say on page 60 of the basic rules is that "You can't hide from a creature that can clearly see you".  I rule that that if you have to step from behind cover in order to fire (not always the case) then the target may be able to clearly see you.  As stated in my previous post the way I run it, in most circumstances you can attack from a specific location once, but you'll have to move to a new position to attack the same target a second time.  It's not an ironclad ruling however.Another example.  There's a guard for a door at the end of a 30 foot well lit hallway with a clear line of sight to the T intersection.  The guard is looking down the hall at the T intersection, awake, alert and ready for action.  I don't care if you had a 30 on your stealth check as you come to the intersection, if you lean out in order to get a shot at the guard they are going to clearly see you and you cannot hide.  There is no grace period for hidden stated, nor implied, in the rules.I agree, approaching in melee is up to the DM to decide.As always, run the game the way that is most fun for you and your group.  But if you're going to say that "the rules say" please provide an actual quote from the books.P.S. As far as rogues "needing" advantage on most attacks, I don't see it.  They should be getting sneak attack most of the time but you don't need advantage for that.  Rogues are designed with a lot of skills, they are not designed to be the biggest damage dealers.  They are supposed to be really good at some skills as reflected by expertise.  In my experience, rogues do plenty of damage in combat although of course most martial types would benefit from it.</blockquote>

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