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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 6468980" data-attributes="member: 20323">[MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION] Thanks for the example. Man, imposing both a surprise round and preventing the PCs from acting during the normal round...that seems excessively harsh. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.Where the confusion lies for me is that the 5e rules never describe a &quot;Surprise Round&quot; as a thing. Rather, &quot;surprised&quot; is treated almost like a condition that one imposes one another, causing them to be unable to move or act during their first turn of combat. Of course, in a simple fight this effectively serves as a Surprise Round; however, once you have multiple enemies with different Stealth checks or different strategies, it becomes rather unclear how it's supposed to work.At least, I've gone back over the PHB and the Basic Rules and couldn't find anything about a &quot;Surprise Round.&quot;So it sounds like Chris Perkins was just running things like we DMs always had, and bypassing the 5e rules (or, in this instance, stacking a Surprise Round with the 5e surprise rules)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 6468980, member: 20323"] [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION] Thanks for the example. Man, imposing both a surprise round and preventing the PCs from acting during the normal round...that seems excessively harsh. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Where the confusion lies for me is that the 5e rules never describe a "Surprise Round" as a thing. Rather, "surprised" is treated almost like a condition that one imposes one another, causing them to be unable to move or act during their first turn of combat. Of course, in a simple fight this effectively serves as a Surprise Round; however, once you have multiple enemies with different Stealth checks or different strategies, it becomes rather unclear how it's supposed to work. At least, I've gone back over the PHB and the Basic Rules and couldn't find anything about a "Surprise Round." So it sounds like Chris Perkins was just running things like we DMs always had, and bypassing the 5e rules (or, in this instance, stacking a Surprise Round with the 5e surprise rules)? [/QUOTE]

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