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<blockquote data-quote="S_Dalsgaard" data-source="post: 6470049" data-attributes="member: 6785541">Many of the suggestions here seems overly complicated. Lets take the invisible wizard [MENTION=14506]Sadrik[/MENTION] mentioned above.The PCs are facing a group of bandits with the PC wizard already invisible. They have agreed beforehand, that the wizard attacking is the signal to engage. While the rest are talking/throwing threats around, the wizards sneaks up to a bandit and attacks. If we assume he knows his stuff, he will get a surprise round (round 0) and then both the PCs (including the wizard) and the bandits roll initiative and everyone go as normal from round 1.The same applied to the OP's bandits would mean, that on round 0 the hidden snipers get surprise (if they beat the PCs' Perception) and take their actions. On round 1 everyone roll initiative (the attack being the signal for the rest of the bandits to act) and the battle starts.If, on the other hand, the battle has already started before the hidden PC/bandits act, I would let them start their attack in any round they chose, and go on their initiative with advantage (as normal for invisible). I wouldn't break up the ongoing combat, to suddenly let a surprise round happen. For example the invisible wizard is holding back while the rest of the party acts, and then in round 2 (or whatever) he attacks one of the bandits with advantage and from round 3, he is a normal part of the combat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S_Dalsgaard, post: 6470049, member: 6785541"] Many of the suggestions here seems overly complicated. Lets take the invisible wizard [MENTION=14506]Sadrik[/MENTION] mentioned above. The PCs are facing a group of bandits with the PC wizard already invisible. They have agreed beforehand, that the wizard attacking is the signal to engage. While the rest are talking/throwing threats around, the wizards sneaks up to a bandit and attacks. If we assume he knows his stuff, he will get a surprise round (round 0) and then both the PCs (including the wizard) and the bandits roll initiative and everyone go as normal from round 1. The same applied to the OP's bandits would mean, that on round 0 the hidden snipers get surprise (if they beat the PCs' Perception) and take their actions. On round 1 everyone roll initiative (the attack being the signal for the rest of the bandits to act) and the battle starts. If, on the other hand, the battle has already started before the hidden PC/bandits act, I would let them start their attack in any round they chose, and go on their initiative with advantage (as normal for invisible). I wouldn't break up the ongoing combat, to suddenly let a surprise round happen. For example the invisible wizard is holding back while the rest of the party acts, and then in round 2 (or whatever) he attacks one of the bandits with advantage and from round 3, he is a normal part of the combat. [/QUOTE]

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