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<blockquote data-quote="Azrothan" data-source="post: 6479241" data-attributes="member: 6783904">Rather than looking at house ruling surprise, look at the actual encounters you're preparing.In the case above, is the kobold meant to stall the party? And if so, is it obvious it's stalling? Why is the kobold there at all? And why wasn't it hiding? Do you want the dragon to surprise the party with the actual rule for surprise? If you want it to surprise, why attack with it prior to them dispatching the kobold? (I'm sure the dragon can hear that they're about to finish it off) I use the interpretation of the rule that I've been mentioning throughout the thread because it will serve all the functions I need from the surprise rule. It will require the entire party/monsters working together to pull of a surprise, making it so the clonking warrior can actually spoil the surprise - or in the case of monsters, that lone goblin standing around picking his nose instead of actually hiding with his friends.For all those other instances where you might have planned for surprise, but didn't get it (like the example with the kobold and the dragon), there is still the unseen attacker rule. Normally it gives advantage on attack rolls - so perhaps those that doesn't notice the dragon prior to the breath weapon attack should be at a disadvantage on the saving throw.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Azrothan, post: 6479241, member: 6783904"] Rather than looking at house ruling surprise, look at the actual encounters you're preparing. In the case above, is the kobold meant to stall the party? And if so, is it obvious it's stalling? Why is the kobold there at all? And why wasn't it hiding? Do you want the dragon to surprise the party with the actual rule for surprise? If you want it to surprise, why attack with it prior to them dispatching the kobold? (I'm sure the dragon can hear that they're about to finish it off) I use the interpretation of the rule that I've been mentioning throughout the thread because it will serve all the functions I need from the surprise rule. It will require the entire party/monsters working together to pull of a surprise, making it so the clonking warrior can actually spoil the surprise - or in the case of monsters, that lone goblin standing around picking his nose instead of actually hiding with his friends. For all those other instances where you might have planned for surprise, but didn't get it (like the example with the kobold and the dragon), there is still the unseen attacker rule. Normally it gives advantage on attack rolls - so perhaps those that doesn't notice the dragon prior to the breath weapon attack should be at a disadvantage on the saving throw. [/QUOTE]

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