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Message: <blockquote data-quote="abirdcall" data-source="post: 8397896" data-attributes="member: 6748898">The DC is set by the Passive Perception of those they are opposing. If the monsters have a stealth score of 14 for example then some PCs can fail while other still pass. It isn't all or nothing.Group Checks:"When a number of individuals are trying to accomplish something as a group, the DM might ask for a group ability check. In such a situation, the characters who are skilled at a particular task help cover for those who aren't."That all checks out."Group checks don't come up very often, and they're most useful when all the characters succeed or fail as a group."This is basically what stealth is. The entire party can fail as a group and often will because of the clumsy character in plate. Also I think it is entirely valid to have each PP check be counted as a separate challenge. (Even if we're reading stealth as something that the entire group doesn't pass or fail on this doesn't say they can't be used when the characters don't succeed or fail as a group, just that it isn't as useful).The entire group can beat PP 12 by having half the group succeed but they could also fail against PP 14 in the same situation.This is supported in the rules though not called out under stealth specifically.I think it is valid though up to the DM of course.I use group checks whenever the group is attempting something together (unless it is 1 character helping another). For example, when the group is involved in a social encounter and a charisma check is called for I call for a group check as everyone is involved and having an impact. I think it's within the spirit of the rules too as the game was designed with the intent that every character can attempt just about everything as opposed to previous design such as 3e.Having the entire group fail because of 1 low roll is what the group check mechanic is meant to avoid in other words.</blockquote>

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