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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9498886" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>[USER=6801209]@mellored[/USER] - looks like my results were a bit higher than i anticipated.</p><p></p><p>As promised Precision Attack Calcs. But First:</p><p></p><p><strong>Basic methodology -</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We want to use precision attack anytime we think we've missed by 1-5. <em><span style="font-size: 12px">*Note: Already have confirmed 1-5 is more optimal than 1-4. </span></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We need to look at this over the short rest period of 8 rounds.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Unused Superiority dice at the end of the period cannot be applied to a different maneuver Doing so would break our first assumption. It also wouldn't match reality very well where the adventuring short rest period may go longer than 8 rounds. <em><span style="font-size: 12px">*Note: We could design a different algorithm for using the dice here, but let's nail the basics first.</span></em></li> </ul><p><strong>Process -</strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Determine expected number of superiority dice we can use when making 27 attacks <em><span style="font-size: 12px">(8 rounds of 3 attacks each + 3 (1 action surge of 3 attacks). </span></em>This will be done by using the binomial distribution which can be used in excel via the formula:<br /> <em><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>=binom.dist(successes, trials, probability of success, non-cumulative)<br /> More to come on this step further down.</strong></span></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We then calculate the chance a dice converts a miss to a hit <em><span style="font-size: 12px">(this is easy as long as advantage is not involved)</span></em>. Since our dice are d10's:<br /> miss by 1 = 100%<br /> miss by 2 = 90%<br /> miss by 3 = 80%<br /> miss by 4 = 70%<br /> miss by 5 = 60%</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Average out the above percentages, equally weighted since they all equally come up when rolling 1d20. Simply Calculation so results are here = 80%</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Multiply by the damage we deal when a miss is converted to a hit = 2d6 +1 (fighting style)+ 5 (mod) + 4 (GWM) = 17</li> </ul><p><strong>Binomial Distribution Process -</strong></p><p>Step 1:</p><p>In excel make a column of every possible number for misses by 1-5. This will just be a column of 0,1,2, ... ,27</p><p></p><p>Step 2:</p><p>Assuming you start 0 in A2 then in B2 you would use</p><p>=Binom.Dist(<strong>A2</strong>, <strong>27</strong> <span style="font-size: 12px"><em>for number of attacks in short rest period</em></span>, <strong>0.25</strong> <span style="font-size: 12px"><em>probability of d20 rolling a miss by 1-5, </em></span>, <strong>False</strong> <em><span style="font-size: 12px">for exactly this number of success. True would be for cumulative.</span></em></p><p></p><p>Copy Paste this formula on down.</p><p></p><p>Step 3:</p><p>Make a column of weights in Column C 0,1,2,3,4,5,5,5,5,.....5</p><p>*<em><span style="font-size: 12px">Note: Ends at 5 because you only have 5 superiority dice in a short rest period.</span></em></p><p></p><p>Step 4:</p><p>D2 = B2*C2</p><p>D3 = B3*C3</p><p>Etc.</p><p></p><p>Step 5:</p><p>Sum up column D.</p><p></p><p>This is the expected number of dice you will use on average for precision attack in a 8 round and 1 action surge short rest period when using them anytime you miss by 1-5</p><p></p><p><strong>Results -</strong></p><p>Binomial Distribution Process results = 4.75</p><p>Chance of converting a miss of 1-5 to a hit = 80%</p><p>Damage = 17</p><p></p><p>= 4.75 * 80% * 17 * 2 since only doing the first rest period and we have 1 other.</p><p>= 129.2 Damage. Divide by 16 Rounds</p><p></p><p>=+8.1 DPR from precision attack for the level 11 GWM Fighter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 9498886, member: 6795602"] [USER=6801209]@mellored[/USER] - looks like my results were a bit higher than i anticipated. As promised Precision Attack Calcs. But First: [B]Basic methodology -[/B] [LIST] [*]We want to use precision attack anytime we think we've missed by 1-5. [I][SIZE=3]*Note: Already have confirmed 1-5 is more optimal than 1-4. [/SIZE][/I] [*]We need to look at this over the short rest period of 8 rounds. [*]Unused Superiority dice at the end of the period cannot be applied to a different maneuver Doing so would break our first assumption. It also wouldn't match reality very well where the adventuring short rest period may go longer than 8 rounds. [I][SIZE=3]*Note: We could design a different algorithm for using the dice here, but let's nail the basics first.[/SIZE][/I] [/LIST] [B]Process -[/B] [LIST] [*]Determine expected number of superiority dice we can use when making 27 attacks [I][SIZE=3](8 rounds of 3 attacks each + 3 (1 action surge of 3 attacks). [/SIZE][/I]This will be done by using the binomial distribution which can be used in excel via the formula: [I][SIZE=3][B]=binom.dist(successes, trials, probability of success, non-cumulative) More to come on this step further down.[/B][/SIZE][/I] [*]We then calculate the chance a dice converts a miss to a hit [I][SIZE=3](this is easy as long as advantage is not involved)[/SIZE][/I]. Since our dice are d10's: miss by 1 = 100% miss by 2 = 90% miss by 3 = 80% miss by 4 = 70% miss by 5 = 60% [*]Average out the above percentages, equally weighted since they all equally come up when rolling 1d20. Simply Calculation so results are here = 80% [*]Multiply by the damage we deal when a miss is converted to a hit = 2d6 +1 (fighting style)+ 5 (mod) + 4 (GWM) = 17 [/LIST] [B]Binomial Distribution Process -[/B] Step 1: In excel make a column of every possible number for misses by 1-5. This will just be a column of 0,1,2, ... ,27 Step 2: Assuming you start 0 in A2 then in B2 you would use =Binom.Dist([B]A2[/B], [B]27[/B] [SIZE=3][I]for number of attacks in short rest period[/I][/SIZE], [B]0.25[/B] [SIZE=3][I]probability of d20 rolling a miss by 1-5, [/I][/SIZE], [B]False[/B] [I][SIZE=3]for exactly this number of success. True would be for cumulative.[/SIZE][/I] Copy Paste this formula on down. Step 3: Make a column of weights in Column C 0,1,2,3,4,5,5,5,5,.....5 *[I][SIZE=3]Note: Ends at 5 because you only have 5 superiority dice in a short rest period.[/SIZE][/I] Step 4: D2 = B2*C2 D3 = B3*C3 Etc. Step 5: Sum up column D. This is the expected number of dice you will use on average for precision attack in a 8 round and 1 action surge short rest period when using them anytime you miss by 1-5 [B]Results -[/B] Binomial Distribution Process results = 4.75 Chance of converting a miss of 1-5 to a hit = 80% Damage = 17 = 4.75 * 80% * 17 * 2 since only doing the first rest period and we have 1 other. = 129.2 Damage. Divide by 16 Rounds =+8.1 DPR from precision attack for the level 11 GWM Fighter. [/QUOTE]
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