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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6640475" data-attributes="member: 7006">I personally don't see any real change.  On the 'see you clearly' issue... the errata mentions "when you are hiding", not "when you attempt to hide".  So I take that to mean that requirements for attempting to hide have not changed-- you have to be out of line of sight or Heavily Obscured.  Which means Mark of the Wild still has a purpose-- Wood Elves can attempt to hide when only Lightly Obscured by natural outdoor terrain.It's only now when you *are* hidden and are attempting to do stuff that they changed the language a little.  I think the issue was always whether you could lean out from behind a pillar from Hiding and attack with Advantage since you now could technically be "seen" when you made the attack.  Some people would say that because you had been Hidden, your attack would get Advantage as you leaned out... others would say you wouldn't get Advantage because you'd be seen the moment you leaned out and thus lose the Hidden condition.  By adding the "clearly", they put in a little natural language wiggle room to help the former make their case.So for me nothing has changed.  To gain the Hidden condition you need to make a DEX (Stealth) check while out of line of sight, or Heavily Obscured, and compare this number against any target's Passive Perception that might be in a position to hear/deduce the location of the character.  Once you do so, you are Hidden, and thus your first attack from Hiding gains Advantage, assuming the target does not see you clearly.  And to me, leaning out from behind a large item that blocks line-of-sight and firing a crossbow would be a perfect example of not being seen clearly by the target.  And by the same token... as per the rules for Hiding on Page 177 that have not changed... a Hidden player can attempt to move up to a target and might be allowed to maintain their Hidden condition while doing so, if the DM allows it in that case.  They also could technically be "seen" because there is no longer any terrain blocking line-of-sight and no facing rules to determine whether the target might glance in the character's direction or not... so here too the character could move up without blocking terrain because they aren't seen "clearly".</blockquote>

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