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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6641387" data-attributes="member: 7006">The answer is still A.Humans cannot try to hide in light fog.&nbsp; They need to be out of line of sight or Heavily Obscured.&nbsp; That rule has not changed.&nbsp; The errata does not talk about the attempt to hide, it only talk about when a character is hiding. However, once they have fulfilled the requirements to make the attempt to hide-- out of line of sight or heavily obscured, not making noise; made a DEX (Stealth) check that is higher than the Passive Perception of anyone in the area who might possibly hear/notice them... then the character is hiding.&nbsp; At that point they are free to move around as long as they are not in the open (they have to have at least some obscurement.)&nbsp; It is at this point that being completely unseen no longer is a hard and fast requirement, as per DM decision, and where the &quot;not seen clearly&quot; comes in.So a rogue could lean out from behind a pillar and throw a dagger at his target and still gain the benefit of being hidden (Advantage on the check.)&nbsp; Or he could be in foliage that is lightly obscuring him and throw the dagger and still gain the benefit of being Hidden.&nbsp; In both of these cases, the rogue can be seen to a certain extent (the target can possibly see the rogues upper body when he leans out from behind the pillar, or his rough outline in the underbrush as he throws the dagger.)&nbsp; This is where they are editing it so that people don't say &quot;Hey!&nbsp; When he leans out he's no longer unseen and thus he's no longer Hidden, and so he doesn't get Advantage!&quot;&nbsp; Instead, the DM can say &quot;Sorry Target, you didn't get to see the rogue clearly before he released his dagger attack because of the speed it took to lean and throw.&quot;&nbsp; It just closes that one small avenue of possible argument that those people who weren't already making the logical leap were getting hung up on.&nbsp; It's a fix to a problem that probably most people didn't have... but apparently enough people did that they felt like they needed to amend how they explained it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6641387, member: 7006"] The answer is still A. Humans cannot [b]try to hide[/b] in light fog. They need to be out of line of sight or Heavily Obscured. That rule has not changed. The errata does not talk about the [i]attempt[/i] to hide, it only talk about when a character [i]is hiding[/i]. However, once they have fulfilled the requirements to make the attempt to hide-- out of line of sight or heavily obscured, not making noise; made a DEX (Stealth) check that is higher than the Passive Perception of anyone in the area who might possibly hear/notice them... then the character [b]is hiding[/b]. At that point they are free to move around as long as they are not in the open (they have to have at least some obscurement.) It is at this point that being completely unseen no longer is a hard and fast requirement, as per DM decision, and where the "not seen clearly" comes in. So a rogue could lean out from behind a pillar and throw a dagger at his target and still gain the benefit of being hidden (Advantage on the check.) Or he could be in foliage that is lightly obscuring him and throw the dagger and still gain the benefit of being Hidden. In both of these cases, the rogue [i]can[/i] be seen to a certain extent (the target can possibly see the rogues upper body when he leans out from behind the pillar, or his rough outline in the underbrush as he throws the dagger.) This is where they are editing it so that people don't say "Hey! When he leans out he's no longer unseen and thus he's no longer Hidden, and so he doesn't get Advantage!" Instead, the DM can say "Sorry Target, you didn't get to see the rogue [i]clearly[/i] before he released his dagger attack because of the speed it took to lean and throw." It just closes that one small avenue of possible argument that those people who weren't already making the logical leap were getting hung up on. It's a fix to a problem that probably most people didn't have... but apparently enough people did that they felt like they needed to amend how they explained it. [/QUOTE]

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