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How does the errata on hiding affect the mask of the wild ability of the wood elf?
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6641742" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>No; pre-errata it didnt matter if you could be 'theoretically' seen. You either are seen (and thus cant attempt to hide on your turn) or you are not able to be seen (and thus you can attempt to hide on your turn). The DM determines which is the case.</p><p></p><p>Post errata, the question turns to 'can you be seen clearly enough?' If the answer is 'yes' you cannot attempt the Hide action on your turn. If the answer is 'no', you can attempt the Hide action on your turn. Again - this is a question for the DM. He can rule that the creatures are too distracted to see you clearly enough (for example) where as before you are deemed to always be seen by opponents unless you were already hidden or in total cover or concealment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>No it does not. </strong></p><p></p><p>Mask of the wild allows you to attempt the Hide action in light natural obscurement. It does not remove the (pre-errata) requirement that you can only hide when not being observed, nor does it remove the post errata requirement that you can only hide when not being observed 'closely enough'.</p><p></p><p>It only changes what you can hide in; it does not remove the restriction on hiding while being observed.</p><p></p><p>Even post-errata you still cant hide in light obscurement using mask of the wild when being directly observed.</p><p></p><p>You can now use it when you are not being observed 'closely enough'. (DM's call).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And they still can do just this.</p><p></p><p>The Wood elf just can only do it when they are not being observed 'closely enough' by the creature they want to hide from. Before the errata, the Wood Elf could only Hide in light natural obscurement when they weren't being watched. They couldn't attempt to hide in light concealment if they could be seen <em>before </em>making the attempt. </p><p></p><p>Now (post errata) the Wood Elf can attempt to take the Hide action in natural terrain as long as they cant be seen 'clearly' before making the attempt.</p><p></p><p>A Halfling can make the same attempt in combat situations to hide behind a medium sized creature. Before making the Hide attempt simply ask your DM at the start of your turn: 'Can I be seen clearly enough to deny me the ability to attempt to hide this turn'. If the answer is 'Yes', do something else with your actions this turn.</p><p></p><p>If the answer is 'No' you can attempt the Hide action on your turn (as long as you can find some cover or total obscurement to hide behind). If your character also happens to be a Wood Elf you can also attempt to Hide in light natural concealment; if you happen to be a Halfling you can attempt to Hide behind a medium creature. If you happen to have the Skulker feat, you can hide in any light obscurement.</p><p></p><p>Step 1: (start of your turn) Ask your DM if you can be seen 'clearly' by the monster you want to hide from (or make a call on your own if your DM doesnt want to reveal what the monsters can or cannot see 'clearly'). If you cannot be seen 'clearly' (as determined by the DM) you can then attempt the Hide check.</p><p></p><p>Step 2: Move into cover or total obscurement (or light natural obscurement if you are a WE or light obscurement if you are a Skulker, or behind a M or larger creature if you are a Halfling) and make a Stealth check (as either an action or a bonus action for Rogue 2) opposed by the passive perception score of the creature you want to hide from.</p><p></p><p>It's pretty clear man.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6641742, member: 6788736"] No; pre-errata it didnt matter if you could be 'theoretically' seen. You either are seen (and thus cant attempt to hide on your turn) or you are not able to be seen (and thus you can attempt to hide on your turn). The DM determines which is the case. Post errata, the question turns to 'can you be seen clearly enough?' If the answer is 'yes' you cannot attempt the Hide action on your turn. If the answer is 'no', you can attempt the Hide action on your turn. Again - this is a question for the DM. He can rule that the creatures are too distracted to see you clearly enough (for example) where as before you are deemed to always be seen by opponents unless you were already hidden or in total cover or concealment. [B]No it does not. [/B] Mask of the wild allows you to attempt the Hide action in light natural obscurement. It does not remove the (pre-errata) requirement that you can only hide when not being observed, nor does it remove the post errata requirement that you can only hide when not being observed 'closely enough'. It only changes what you can hide in; it does not remove the restriction on hiding while being observed. Even post-errata you still cant hide in light obscurement using mask of the wild when being directly observed. You can now use it when you are not being observed 'closely enough'. (DM's call). And they still can do just this. The Wood elf just can only do it when they are not being observed 'closely enough' by the creature they want to hide from. Before the errata, the Wood Elf could only Hide in light natural obscurement when they weren't being watched. They couldn't attempt to hide in light concealment if they could be seen [I]before [/I]making the attempt. Now (post errata) the Wood Elf can attempt to take the Hide action in natural terrain as long as they cant be seen 'clearly' before making the attempt. A Halfling can make the same attempt in combat situations to hide behind a medium sized creature. Before making the Hide attempt simply ask your DM at the start of your turn: 'Can I be seen clearly enough to deny me the ability to attempt to hide this turn'. If the answer is 'Yes', do something else with your actions this turn. If the answer is 'No' you can attempt the Hide action on your turn (as long as you can find some cover or total obscurement to hide behind). If your character also happens to be a Wood Elf you can also attempt to Hide in light natural concealment; if you happen to be a Halfling you can attempt to Hide behind a medium creature. If you happen to have the Skulker feat, you can hide in any light obscurement. Step 1: (start of your turn) Ask your DM if you can be seen 'clearly' by the monster you want to hide from (or make a call on your own if your DM doesnt want to reveal what the monsters can or cannot see 'clearly'). If you cannot be seen 'clearly' (as determined by the DM) you can then attempt the Hide check. Step 2: Move into cover or total obscurement (or light natural obscurement if you are a WE or light obscurement if you are a Skulker, or behind a M or larger creature if you are a Halfling) and make a Stealth check (as either an action or a bonus action for Rogue 2) opposed by the passive perception score of the creature you want to hide from. It's pretty clear man. [/QUOTE]
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