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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 6641818" data-attributes="member: 58172">‘When you are hiding’.When you hide - when you decide to hide - when you are in the process of hiding yourself - even before you become hidden.Errata: Using Ability Scores: Hiding (p. 177). The DM decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding. Also, the question isn’t whether a creature can see you when you’re hiding. The question is whether it can see you clearly.So, ‘when you’re hiding’, you can do so even when a creature partially sees you. As long as the creature can’t see you clearly, go head. Hide.PH 177 Textbox: Hiding. When you try to hide, make a Dexterity (Stealth) check. Until you are discovered or you stop hiding, that check’s total is contested by the Wisdom (Perception) check of any creature that actively searches for signs of your presence.The textbox says, ‘you can’t hide from a creature that can see you’. But the erratum precisely overrides this sentence, to clarify, you can hide from it as long as this creature can’t ‘see you clearly’. You can’t hide from a creature that can see you, and if you make noise (such as shouting a warning or knocking over a vase), you give away your position.Oh, but you can hide from a creature that can see you! As long as the creature can’t see you clearly, it is ok.There is no requirement to be out of line-of-sight, when attempting to hide or when being hidden. Notice the original context of this sentence. ‘You can’t hide from a creature that can see you’, applies in a context when you are already hidden. Thus, if you happen to be in line-of-sight in any way, the creature would automatically discover you. Similarly, if you make noise like shouting, the creature will discover you. The erratum clarifies that you can remain hidden, even during the line-of-sight of a creature that you are hidden from, as long as that creature can’t see you clearly. The point is: you can try to hide while being not being seen clearly, and you can remain hidden while not being seen clearly.There is never a requirement to be completely unseen. It is still possible to hide.You can hide at any time, as long as you can’t be seen ‘clearly’.Note, you can even ‘come out of hiding’ to attack someone and still ‘stay hidden’ (!) - as long as you can’t be seen clearly. A creature that is ‘distracted’ also can’t see you ‘clearly’.... In combat, most creatures stay alert for signs of danger all around, so if you come out of hiding and approach a creature, it usually sees you. However, under certain circumstances, the Dungeon Master might allow you to stay hidden as you approach a creature that is distracted, allowing you to gain advantage on an attack before you are seen.The possibility of hiding during partial visibility makes it much more useful during combat.It seems to me, the intent of the errata was to make the Dex Stealth check of the Rogue more powerful. The Rogue becomes able to attack and then hide again in the same round, thus being able to ‘stealth kite’. At high levels, this is as powerful as a Wizard who fights while invisible and levitating or flying. The difference is, the Rogue can pull off this stunt without using magic.The extra powerful Rogue is working as intended. It is a feature, not a bug.The problem is, the authorship of the erratum focusing on the Rogue, forgot about the obscure wording of the racial feature of the Wood Elf. Which is fine, the features of the Wood Elf and especially the features of the High Elf are kinda lame, and probably need a boost anyway.Finally, there is only one check. That Dex Stealth check applies versus all Wis Perception checks, whether active or passive, when unseen or at least not seen clearly.PH 177: Dexterity: Stealth. Make a Dexterity (Stealth) check when you attempt to conceal yourself from enemies, slink past guards, slip away without being noticed, or sneak up on someone without being seen or heard.There is only one Dexterity Stealth check to hide. This one result  applies in all circumstances. It doesn’t matter if the check happens  while a creature can see you - as long as the creature can’t see you  clearly the check is in effect.Passive Perception. When you hide, there’s a chance someone will notice you even if they aren't searching. To determine whether such a creature notices you, the DM compares your Dexterity (Stealth) check with that creature’s passive Wisdom (Perception) score, which equals 10 + the creature’s Wisdom modifier, as well as any other bonuses or penalties. ...What Can You See? One of the main factors in determining whether you can find a hidden creature or object is how well you can see in an area, which might be lightly or heavily obscured, as explained in chapter 8.So, a Rogue who is stealth-kiting a creature that has low Wisdom Perception, is very effective, indeed.</blockquote>

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