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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6642080" data-attributes="member: 7006">This is true ONLY if you equate &quot;attempting to hide&quot; and &quot;are hiding&quot; as the same thing.&nbsp; I do not.&nbsp; I am not making that grammatical leap.&nbsp; I presume the former is everything occurring up to and including the DEX (Stealth) check the player is making... and the latter is only AFTER that DEX check is put up against anyone's Passive Perception and is found to be higher.&nbsp; At that point they have gone from &quot;attempting to hide&quot; to &quot;being hidden&quot; or &quot;are hiding&quot;.&quot;Attempting to hide&quot; is the process of figuring out whether someone can and is successful... &quot;are hiding&quot; is the state the character is in AFTER it has been proved they WERE successful.&nbsp; And in my opinion, the errata ONLY affects the latter-- when you ARE hiding.&nbsp; At that point you don't need to be completely unseen to gain the benefits of being hidden (which is you getting to attack with Advantage, and other creatures needing to guess which space you are in.)But if you believe both statements above are synonymous... then great!&nbsp; Play that way!&nbsp; Have fun!&nbsp; I disagree wholeheartedly because it renders Mark of the Wild completely superfluous and means every single race can attempt to hide in Lightly Obscuring terrain... but if that's fun for you, then have at it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6642080, member: 7006"] This is true ONLY if you equate "attempting to hide" and "are hiding" as the same thing. [i]I do not.[/i] I am not making that grammatical leap. I presume the former is everything occurring up to and including the DEX (Stealth) check the player is making... and the latter is only AFTER that DEX check is put up against anyone's Passive Perception and is found to be higher. At that point they have gone from "attempting to hide" to "being hidden" or "are hiding". "Attempting to hide" is the process of figuring out whether someone can and is successful... "are hiding" is the state the character is in AFTER it has been proved they WERE successful. And in my opinion, the errata ONLY affects the latter-- when you ARE hiding. At that point you don't need to be completely unseen to gain the benefits of being hidden (which is you getting to attack with Advantage, and other creatures needing to guess which space you are in.) But if you believe both statements above are synonymous... then great! Play that way! Have fun! I disagree wholeheartedly because it renders Mark of the Wild completely superfluous and means every single race can attempt to hide in Lightly Obscuring terrain... but if that's fun for you, then have at it. [/QUOTE]

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